The Sidebar - Harris Trial #3 *VERDICT - GUILTY*

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dizzychick

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Leanne said to Ross " did you say too much" as she was flabergasted as to why he would be charged for an accident. We now know Ross is a blabber mouth and a bonehead but at the time the cops didnt know that so they were curious at her question. Now that the air is cleard and that comment has been recitified Stoddard needs to move on to picking on some other poor subject.
 

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The correct verdict was reached IMO. RH's guilt has never been a question in my mind. I don't believe any father would have parked in a different location in the morning, thrown light bulbs in his car at lunch time and not remembered his child without this being a planned event.

His actions/reactions upon realizing Cooper was in the car after that show in the parking lot was another notch showing his guilt. He is not a good actor.

Thank you jury for the time you served and the discussions held to reach the obvious conclusion of guilt of Ross Harris. A man who severly lied and cheated on his wife, and then took the precious life of the child God had given him. He ruined many lives for no reason. The freedom he wanted will be spent in a cage. Can't think of a better place for him!
 

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I have been following this since june 18 2014, I have never been so involved in a case before and I have been thinking of Cooper these two years. At first I thought he was guilty and when the trial started I had my doubts on reasonable. After watching the lightbulb incident several times I was pretty sure of his guilt. I have been sitting in the chatroom everyday of this trial and have met people I will never forget so Thank you all for your wisdom, empathy and friendship. Last but not least, Cooper, I am sure you will now be able to rest in peace
 

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Just out of curiosity, since a few here believe the sexting to be irrelevant, if a parent is in a bar drinking all day, or holed up doing drugs for hours as their child perished in a hot car--would you not want such facts to be included as evidence at trial?

I'm not understanding why this dad's actions during the time his son was dying should have been ignored. If the sexting had happened on a different day I would believe it to be irrelevant, but that's not what happened here.

Possible factor if you believe it was manslaughter. But since it was murder, it wasn't a necessary cover to prove it. There was plenty of evidence to show he premeditated it without the "distraction" of sexting.
 

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Wow wow wow. I go away for one evening and a verdict comes in! Typical!

Well I didn't think he did it intentionally, but clearly the jury saw something I didn't, and so did many people here. So I'm happy to accept the outcome without further argument, even if I don't agree 100%. I didn't contribute very much, but it was a pleasure to ponder over the many debates and watch great minds in action.

Any interesting live streamed trials coming up next?
 

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Well, I am sad today, for Cooper, for the whole situation. I'm not one to argue just to be contrary, or one to just automatically take up for the defense, in this case I just truly
don't see where the malice was proven. I feel unsettled for lack of better word, about the entire investigation and trial. I know defense lawyers have to defend people they
feel are guilty all the time, but they don't get choked up by a verdict the way the DT did over this case, that along with every single person in RH's life believing he is innocent says a lot to me.

I in no way am taking up for RH, the guy is everything I hate in the opposite sex. He's a real creep, and though I would not say he is a pedophile or a dangerous predator, I do feel extremely sickened and uneasy about all of the much younger women he was chasing, especially while married. I wanted him punished for this. I also wanted him punished for forgetting. I just didn't think it should be for life. Especially when I am following other cases where guys kidnapped and raped/attempted to rape, most times with weapons who were let out to try again, and succeed.

None of that is to change minds or debate, just sharing my feelings. I learned on Sleuths that even if we disagree to the extreme on one case, I'll most likely follow another case with you in the future where we agree 100% so I don't take disagreements personal and mean no harm when stating mine.
 

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Hmm. So he's guilty of intentionally killing Cooper AND of criminal negligence. Not sure how that works, but maybe they'll explain it sometime.

It's been real folks ....:wave:

I'm thinking maybe the neglect comes from the fact that he was sexting underage girls at the same time? All I know is I agree with and applaud this jury for doing the right thing. Justice for Cooper, I'll give my son a kiss and send it to him.
 

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Thank you for this post, dizzy. I believe it was you that had brought up the testosterone a few weeks ago and at the time there wasn't much discussion about it, but it's been on my mind a lot. Prescription drugs have real side effects and I've seen some times very innocuous prescription drugs (Chantex) lead to murder. They can destroy lives and I had hoped that some more testimony had been brought up about the "escalation" and the possible reasons behind it.
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I don't know who else may have brought it up besides me, but I know I did at last twice.

Years and years ago, when I was in my early 20's, I was proscribed progesterone for irregular periods. It made me extremely depressed. I mean, really, really, really bad. So when back in the 90's they came out with progesterone implants for birth control I thought well, good luck with that. I don't remember how long that was on the market before a class action lawsuit was filed. People, (not here), but in general seem to avoid any discussion of hormones and how they affect behavior. I also think there were some of his other behaviors that bear looking at in regards to his mental status. I was very surprised the DEF didn't have a physical and psych eval done. But maybe they were thinking nothing good would come of that.
If you look up the side effects of too much testosterone some of them are indicative to RH behaviour.
Edit to say this in now way reflects a commentary on the verdict. I think the jury made the right decision and did a great job looking at all the evidence.
I just wish that in general the medical profession would take note of the side effects of medication.
 

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Well, I am sad today, for Cooper, for the whole situation. I'm not one to argue just to be contrary, or one to just automatically take up for the defense, in this case I just truly
don't see where the malice was proven. I feel unsettled for lack of better word, about the entire investigation and trial. I know defense lawyers have to defend people they
feel are guilty all the time, but they don't get choked up by a verdict the way the DT did over this case, that along with every single person in RH's life believing he is innocent says a lot to me.

I in no way am taking up for RH, the guy is everything I hate in the opposite sex. He's a real creep, and though I would not say he is a pedophile or a dangerous predator, I do feel extremely sickened and uneasy about all of the much younger women he was chasing, especially while married. I wanted him punished for this. I also wanted him punished for forgetting. I just didn't think it should be for life. Especially when I am following other cases where guys kidnapped and raped/attempted to rape, most times with weapons who were let out to try again, and succeed.

None of that is to change minds or debate, just sharing my feelings. I learned on Sleuths that even if we disagree to the extreme on one case, I'll most likely follow another case with you in the future where we agree 100% so I don't take disagreements personal and mean no harm when stating mine.

I agree with you completely. I don't think malice was proven. I'm positive from everything I read and saw that the LE investigation was deeply biased and tainted. I think Staley was transparently pro-prosecution start to finish and that she tied the DT's hands, and that her refusal to sever the minors charges was egregious, though I doubt GA's reversal-averse appellate courts will right that wrong.

I think it couldn't be any more obvious that Kilgore, fgs, believes RH is INNOCENT OF MALICE MURDER, but of course not innocent of Cooper's death, and I empathize with him 100% for fighting with everything he had , but losing to a system stacked against his client.

I couldn't believe the risable, deeply offensive sight of Staley lecturing the jury after the verdict that in America, the rights of the accused matter.

There isn't any question whatsoever, as far as I'm concerned, that attaching the minors charges poisoned the jury, a position amply supported by the countless posts here that argued "if he was capable of that, then.....".


I find it absurd, with all due respect, how much weight was put on the man's choice of words, including "escape" rather than break, and for inserting "just" into a sentence about forgetting his child.

I think an alarming animosity towards Leanna and RH was at the heart of LE and the State's handling of this case, and there it was again, unappeased, at trial's end: Boring saying it was up to Cobb County to decide whether to not to press charges against Leanna. Unbelievable. Totally vile.

And totally in keeping with how this case was handled all along: assumptions of guilt being made without supporting evidence, and the strategic use of media to drain public support for Leanna and RH, though this final parting shot against Leanna by Boring was just plain vindictive, befitting his own caustic personality, imo.

I wish Kilgore the best. Watching him in action was for me the highlight of this trial.

I walk away even more convinced than I was at the start, that it is a dangerous mistake to give the State, in any state, the power to charge and prosecute a person for murder without having to prove intent. I hope other states don't follow GA's lead on this, but am hopeful they won't, based on the widespread legal and ethical criticisms I've read about this kind of end run by the State to shirk their duty of meeting a constitutionally required burden of proof.
 

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Leanne said to Ross " did you say too much" as she was flabergasted as to why he would be charged for an accident. We now know Ross is a blabber mouth and a bonehead but at the time the cops didnt know that so they were curious at her question. Now that the air is cleard and that comment has been recitified Stoddard needs to move on to picking on some other poor subject.

Hear, hear.
 

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It's my belief that the sexting with minors prejudiced the jury. I doubt that they would admit or acknowledge that in public. JMO

I agree with you 100%. It's obvious to me that the State included the charges for that purpose and solely for that purpose, and that they did so because they knew their case for malice was weak.

Staley denied the DT's Motion to sever the charges on the basis the State .was allowed to use his sexting with minors to pursue their theory of the crime. And? Their theory was Ms. Meadows (most asinine of any of their arguments), and RH wanting to "escape." This has to do with RH sexting minors ...... how?

Her second basis for allowing the charges in had to do with allowing the state to argue his sexting with minors on that day had something to do with what actions he took on that day. What utter poppycock . What he did that day AFTER he left Cooper in the car is entirely irrelevant, ESPECIALLY since their entire case focused on malice, not criminal negligence.

Pffftttt that including those charges didn't have a thing in the world to do with the jury's verdicts.
 

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It can also be found here:
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/r...-of-you-who-want-to-know-if-i-am-ok/351894496

....The problem is not the parent! The problem is a society that refuses to believe this can happen to them! Wake up! Accept it! And by accepting it you will be protecting your child!.....


This message , fwiw, is exactly the same as parents' advocacy groups trying to prevent future hot car deaths.

Bravo, Leanna. I hope you're able now to begin what I'm sure will be a life-long process of healing.
 

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I think the Jury did an outstanding job. They took their time and reached a verdict they believe is fair. I am sure the car seat position, and the fact he just kissed Cooper good bye played a part.


I use I love you a lot during the day. I say it to my husband and my children before they leave, and before bed. On the phone when I hang up with my husband. And at random times. I have a hard time saying I love you to anyone else, that and forget about hugging anyone but them. But I can tell you that I don't say I love you to them just in case I die, I say it for a reminder. Of how hard the day is, how down they may feel, someone will always love them.
 

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Ugh post verdict hang over....what to do...think about ...which trial/case to jump into.....blah...I hate the day after..it's like a break up from a bad relationship
 

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And there it goes, the first trial I've properly followed on here, though even then I think I've read about 1 in every 7 pages.

Pleased we have justice for Cooper.
 

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Ugh post verdict hang over....what to do...think about ...which trial/case to jump into.....blah...I hate the day after..it's like a break up from a bad relationship

Yeah, it feels odd. Like I am missing something. I now have time to organize my kitchen, it's a mess.
 

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Although I must say, it's always better being satisfied with the verdict....it's weirdly life altering when you aren't. I still will never get over CA. And the David Hartley case bothers me still...his widow grrrrr
 

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I glad the trial is over and I hope RH stays in prison for a long time. I have wondered if he was on Viagra for his sexual issues. At my age I have several friends whose husbands were having problems, they encouraged them to ask the dr about it, but when they got some and their problems went away, they decided that the same age wife would no longer cut it and went out and moved on, to younger, different, etc... Some actually want to come back after they have their fill of you-know-what and most have lost most of their money and assets at the same time, and only one of my friends actually took him back. Most decide, good riddance.

I also have leaned against LH being involved because of her statements, her saying C is better off in heaven, she was a child of divorce and didn't want that for her child, she wouldn't bring him back if she could, etc. But she has moved on to a new man, and probably more children. I know for myself, if I had a hand in the murder of my child, I wouldn't be able to live with it. After RH finds out he may never get out of jail, if she was involved, he may turn on her.

Everything I think about these 2, I got from their own actions and statements.
I no longer drive children, but if I did or if I ever do again, I know for sure I will take precautions. No child should have to suffer like this.
Even if RH did forget, I don't feel bad about his punishment, cause he should have had his mind on what is important, and that was his child.
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