The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[Ada]

What I don't understand is why she was dressed.

If she planned on killing him with a knife, wearing clothes would be an issue because of the blood. Up close and personal and all of that.

It just makes sense to me that she used the gun and it did not work out the way she expected. She was forced to use a knife because the gun was now inoperable in her mind.

I think the fact that she said that she would kill him humanely meant she had planned to shoot him. No fuss, no muss.

I just cannot think that even she would feel she was a match for him physically and could get him with a knife first.

Why she did not take the camera is a mystery as well. Or at least take the card. Strange indeed, except she may have thought the water would destroy it all.

I had an underwater camera that failed in salt water. The camera died, but the card was good.

I do not see how she would have any idea when the roomies would be home. Not only that, one could come home early because of illness or an appointment or anything really.

BBM

I think she was dressed because she had already been escorted to the door. Then she returned, hid in the closet, took creepy stalker-ish pics of him showering, then ambushed him.

 

[popsicle]

Meeting Jodi Arias: First impressions never lie, or do they?

I found it difficult to take Jodi's story seriously because it sounded so unbelievable. But to make sure I got the facts right, I asked her to repeat it several more times. She was surprisingly agreeable, and with each telling I began to notice that she revealed fascinating new details. To me, that is a common sign that someone is spinning a tale. When I finally reviewed her police interrogation I was shocked to learn that she never told detectives the introducer attempted to kill her.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57564785-504083/meeting-jodi-arias-first-impressions-never-lie-or-do-they/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is what bothers me the most.

Mimi said when she walked in the front door it smelled bad, the dog was also barking and had not been attended to in 5 days. The dog was loose in the house, not in Travis's bedroom suite.

How can they not have noticed the smell, nor the dog, nor used the washer or dryer? or put the vacuum cleaner away?

Does.not.make.sense.


As for the autopsy picture some were wondering about. The images a few of us saw were linked to another photobucket user "StringTheory1" in a folder called "ME" - The image we saw showed Travis' head tilted back and a complete exposure to his throat and neck. You could literally see down the back of his throat. It was THAT wide.

It was an image I will never ever forget, it haunts me. The folder was set to private an hour after it was linked to. It is not an image available anywhere in the news media. It truly was an horrific sight. I have never seen anything like it and I don't want to ever see it again.

That really doesnt bother me. Many studies have been done and shows that females have a much stronger sense of smell than males. Some men tend to be not that much into cleanliess either. Musky orders dont seem to bother them as much as it does a female. Travis was an exceptional man and looked to be a very neat and clean person.

The roommates may have washed clothes and dried them the past weekend. I cant see them washing clothes until the next weekend.

I agree about the photos. They all haunted me but the one close up where his head was tilted back showing the inside of his mouth and the back of his throat looking through the neck wound was the one I will never forget.

IMO

 

[Ada]

I don't think so. He wasn't supposed to leave for Mexico for another 5-6 days -- one day after his body was found. And what about the feeding, watering and pottying of the dog for 5 days. Obviously no one was showing up to do it. Not to mention, you think the roommates are just going to let the dog mess all over the house and leave it up to someone else to deal with? I suppose it's possible, but wow, that would be insanely unreasonable if they had the "run of the house." Maybe they didn't, idk.

But last and not least, trust me, there's no mistaking little dog mess for the stench of a decaying carcass of any kind. It is absolutely sickening and unmistakeable as nothing you've ever smelled before if you haven't.

I'm not saying the roommates had anything to do with this. I'm just saying it's incredible to me that, under all the circumstances, they didn't have the slightest clue. I'd really love to hear them testify about it.

We keep calling them roommates but Travis was the home owner. That made them tenants and him the landlord. So, maybe they just stayed out of his business?

I've been in situations where I had roommates who I barely knew; lived in different parts of the house, had different friends, different schedules. I rarely knew who was around or what they were doing. Maybe his situation was more like that? I dunno.

eta: Regarding the smell. He was closed up in the shower with glass walls/door, wasn't he? Maybe it contained the smell somewhat.

 

[DenverClipper]

IIRC wasn't one on Travis's roommates/tenants away during this time? I believe he was house sitting his girlfriends parents house. That would make only one guy around during the time Travis was undiscovered in his bathroom. Maybe this guy can't smell to well

 

[miss.krissy]

And this one just beneath it:

"Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law," Aleister Crowley

http://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/blog/216516740

Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) was a well-known occultist known as 'the Great Beast 666.' More than dabbled in black magic and conjuring dark spirits. Creepy.

She should have remembered this one from her blog. ..
"A closed mouth gathers no foot." - unknown

 

[Love Never Fails]

There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about Travis letting Jodi into his home. Yet there is testimony that she slipped in thought he doggy door quite often while he was sleeping. His friends also have said they knew the code numbers to his garage so she did too. I firmly believe he did not know she was coming and he did not let her in. I be
Ieve she planned the whole thing. There is too much evidence of premeditation for the jury to even think that she was just a woman scorned and have sympathy for her. This case cries out for a conviction of murder one. If she is ever repentant, let that come while she sits in jail. I do believe she would kill again. I think Casey will too if anyone bothers her life too much.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sometimes roommates simply rent a room and aren't given permission to use the entire house or the washer dryer.

I have a girlfriend who rents only a room to a guy that answered her ad on Craig's list. They are not friends or buddy buddy at all. He went away over the holidays. She didn't know his schedule, didn't know he was leaving or for how long or when he would be back or even where he went.He can not use the washer dryer, the living-room or den. He can use the kitchen but must store his food in a mini fridge in his room and stay out of the one in the kitchen.




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[Love Never Fails]

IIRC wasn't one on Travis's roommates/tenants away during this time? I believe he was house sitting his girlfriends parents house. That would make only one guy around during the time Travis was undiscovered in his bathroom. Maybe this guy can't smell to well

Yes. The testimony says one tenant was away that week house sitting with his girlfriend former parents while they were away. The other was at work and didn't arrive home until after the murders. This was verified.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Sometimes roommates simply rent a room and aren't given permission to use the entire house or the washer dryer.

I have a girlfriend who rents only a room to a guy that answered her ad on Craig's list. They are not friends or buddy buddy at all. He went away over the holidays. She didn't know his schedule, didn't know he was leaving or for how long or when he would be back or even where he went.He can not use the washer dryer, the living-room or den. He can use the kitchen but must store his food in a mini fridge in his room and stay out of the one in the kitchen.


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This is true. Travis has five bedroom home and rented rooms to help pay mortgage. These two guys weren't buddies. They were boarders. And their alibis were verified.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I was only comparing Jodi to the other "Mormon" women. Maybe behind closed doors, they are all that way? Doesn't matter anyway.

Oh. Alright then.

 

[sumbunny]

It makes me wonder how JA kept saying to the detective that her grandfathers gun looked like a play gun, a water gun even.

Then while explaining the photo's she had taken of travis in the shower, she says "look how the water falls down his face...great picture" or something to that effect.

I do wonder if she told Travis she had a toy water gun, and she was going to squirt it down his head to get the water where she wanted...for a photo..yet it was real.

Although I do agree that because there was little blood from the head wound it probably isn't the case.. But stranger things have happened with direct head shots...missing the brain completely etc....

It's a mystery.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is true. Travis has five bedroom home and rented rooms to help pay mortgage. These two guys weren't buddies. They were boarders. And their alibis were verified.

Travis seemed to be a financially smart minded person.

He could have paid the mortgage himself I have no doubt but by having boarders he could easily pay his home off early if he used their money to pay ahead on his mortgage each month.

IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Even though "weird" it did happen. The roommates did not realize anything was amiss. The why's? You knows why. The only reason to question the why's now by them, would to think they had something to do with TA's murder. I feel for those roommates, not just for the tragedy of their friend..but to know you were just going on with daily life, not knowing that your friend's dead body is only yards from you for days? Gives me the chills.

I question what the juror was thinking asking about the roommates alibi's and fingerprints. A roommate would have up to days (this case 5) to clean that house from top to bottom and get rid of the body, not leaving a trace of anything. They would leave the scene almost exactly as is, with the body on top of it, in the home were they live? To my critical thinking, highly doubtful. But maybe they were just asking to see why and how the police did their process of elimination..how they were able to land pointedly and correctly on Jodi.

One of the roommates wasn't even there. He was house sitting for someone else. The other worked all day and maybe had a weak sense of smell. I know the testimony says the dog was nervous but did it actually say it had not been fed? How would anyone know? An empty bowl? Dogs can sense things and also have a steong sense of smell. If it was upset, maybe the little thing could not eat anyway. I agree most young 20- something guys would mind their own business and ignore the smell. How gross but could happen.

 

[DenverClipper]

There has been much speculation regarding Travis's dog Napoleon and why no one noticed the unattended dog. Well, we know that only one of his tenants was around during that time. So maybe he took care of him? We have not heard his testimony, right?

Folks have also posted that there was a doggie door so Napoleon had access to the yard.

I looked thoroughly at the new pics of Travis's house that are posted on disneymoms photobucket page and I cannot find any that show a doggie door. Am I missing something?

http://s193.beta.photobucket.com/user/disneymom69/library/Travis Alexander

 

[aries416]

Wouldn't the smell build up over time? It's not going to be bad on the first day, but it would get progressively worse. I can easily see guys not noticing. I know my husband wouldn't notice!

Also, I used to live in Gilbert, AZ, just south of Mesa and it would often smell terrible outside. I wonder if his house was close enough to a dairy farm to smell? My house was not that close to a farm and at times the smell was over powering.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It makes me wonder how JA kept saying to the detective that her grandfathers gun looked like a play gun, a water gun even.

Then while explaining the photo's she had taken of travis in the shower, she says "look how the water falls down his face...great picture" or something to that effect.

I do wonder if she told Travis she had a toy water gun, and she was going to squirt it down his head to get the water where she wanted...for a photo..yet it was real.

Although I do agree that because there was little blood from the head wound it probably isn't the case.. But stranger things have happened with direct head shots...missing the brain completely etc....

It's a mystery.

I dont think there is any mystery. Forensics dont lie or have biases. The facts have been entered that proves the gunshot came last imo. The reason for little to no blood found from the gunshot wound is a simple one, imo. By the time he was shot she had already cut his throat ear to ear severing all arteries that gets blood flow into the brain and brain cavity.

It was the final......'and take that.'

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wouldn't the smell build up over time? It's not going to be bad on the first day, but it would get progressively worse. I can easily see guys not noticing. I know my husband wouldn't notice!

Also, I used to live in Gilbert, AZ, just south of Mesa and it would often smell terrible outside. I wonder if his house was close enough to a dairy farm to smell? My house was not that close to a farm and at times the smell was over powering.

Yes it would build up but it is still in an enclosed area. And who thinks when they smell something that it is a dead body if they have never smelled that particular smell before? I have had the unfortunate experience of smelling a decomposing body twice in my lifetime. If they had ever smelled a dead body before they would have known what it was but I doubt this guy ever had. It is a very musky pungent order.

My hubby cant smell a thing. He says I should have been a bloodhound my sense of smell is so keen.:floorlaugh:

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't think so. He wasn't supposed to leave for Mexico for another 5-6 days -- one day after his body was found. And what about the feeding, watering and pottying of the dog for 5 days. Obviously no one was showing up to do it. Not to mention, you think the roommates are just going to let the dog mess all over the house and leave it up to someone else to deal with? I suppose it's possible, but wow, that would be insanely unreasonable if they had the "run of the house." Maybe they didn't, idk.

But last and not least, trust me, there's no mistaking little dog mess for the stench of a decaying carcass of any kind. It is absolutely sickening and unmistakeable as nothing you've ever smelled before if you haven't.

I'm not saying the roommates had anything to do with this. I'm just saying it's incredible to me that, under all the circumstances, they didn't have the slightest clue. I'd really love to hear them testify about it.

Again, only one boarder was at home at night. He may not have been a buddy so may not have known the exact date TA was going to Mexico. I doubt seriously if TA even locked his doors. When my son was his age and I got onto him all the time for that! He just trusted everyone when he was younger. As for the dog, there was a doggy door. Mimi may not have even thought of that as she went into the home. She sure wasn't thinking of finding a dead body!

 

[Love Never Fails]

Oh. Alright then.

Yeah, I apologize for even making that comment. As you can tell, I have NO respect for Jodi Arias.