The Verdict Waiting Room #2

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    I beg to differ Brookfield Rd is quite busy. The showgrounds are down the road not opposite and it is not isolated it is next to a preschool and near the tennis centre.
     


  2. HoolyDooly

    HoolyDooly New Member

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    Yes I agree Thinking. I did at times find the way the judge explained or expressed points did leave me unsure of his actual meaning. I re-read and reviewed. The judge is in a hard place I think, now. He cannot explain in such a way to inadvertently lead the jury - towards a bias so to speak.

    And it seems to me the jury have broken down evidence into sections and are combing through the data (evidence) in a very considered fashion. In this way they are ensuring that they are going to get this verdict correct by law for the purpose of justice, and for their consciences as they have worked over the detail in a way they feel is satisfactory to achieve a unanimous verdict. Tough job.

    I look forward to reading your posts from the day, and no doubt will have a few chuckles - as always !
    Thanks tweeters again.
     
  3. Cattail

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    I think he was just painting a picture of nothing happening to Allison that night. See there she was in her pjs ready for bed. That fits in with his story of her getting up early for a walk and something happening to her then.



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  4. HoolyDooly

    HoolyDooly New Member

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    Me too...that auto saved has saved me a couple of times....like when I want to post....type type type..then Dooh!...my 'log-in' has dropped out @#$%.....
     
  5. minusfour

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    Oh, gosh, what could the jury be discussing? I hate to think how many hours we have all spent reading and thinking about this case, oh, but really, how much longer? I have been reduced to checking my phone frantically every chance I have at work, and reluctantly taking part in "non trial" activities, sigh, here's hoping tomorrow is the day!
     
  6. Tangled_Web

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    That definitely was a quotable quote - and yes the context was in relation to the three Cs.

    It also reminded me of another quote from TF that I wrote down when in court to hear his summing up. Brilliantly delivered, it was about the placement of the toys in the back of the car being "a subtle touch" - another attempt by GBC to show just how normal things were that morning.
     
  7. Her Honour

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    In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by three separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime; the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders and the juries, who decide their fate. These are their stories.

    [Soundtrack: dit dit]

    The Jury Room. Day Four. 0939 hours.

    Juror #1: Alright everyone. Are we any closer to a decision?
    Juror #2: We'd better be. My flatmate said she read somewhere if we don't decide in a "reasonable time", the judge can send us to jail or something? I am FREAKING OUT. Like, seriously. I CANNOT miss any more B&B. Do they have TVs in jail?
    Juror #3: What's today? Anyway, wouldn't there just be a whole new trial?
    Juror #4: Excellent! More cheesecake.
    Juror #5: Wouldn't it be with a different jury though?
    Juror #6: Shame. I have NO food in the fridge. For real. I sooo need to go shopping.
    Juror #7: If you ask me, it all comes down to intent. The judge said if we couldn't satisfy ourselves about intent, we'd have to consider manslaughter. But I think he was required to say that by law. I've been thinking a lot about those scratches. What do they say about intent?
    Juror #8: Intent? Is that, like, a camping app?
    Juror #9: Oooooh, level 7! Woo HOO!
    Juror #10: Can I please borrow someone's notes? All I've got here is somethingsomethingsomething Toblerone something...
    Juror #11: You people are crushing my spirit.
    Juror #12: "Wait, what? Yep. Yep. No, hang on, I'm losing you - not Albert Park, ALBION. Yep. No, number six IN the fifth! Ha ha, yeah mate. I reckon!"
     
  8. MaxwellSmart

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    Every now and again (usually in the shower - my thinking room) I am hit hard that Alison. Is. Dead.

    the crushing sadness of the thought of those poor girls envelopes me each time my daughter says "mummy I'm scared, please lie with me." They will never have the love that a mother has an endless supply of. The absolute cocoon of safety that a mothers hug ensures, can not be replaced by anyone, no matter how close ( Dickies).


    we can only hope that they have precious memories that will be kept alive by their remaining family.

    Please please please jury, do it for the girls.
     
  9. HoolyDooly

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    That is correct. Very clearly put.

    If one lists the facts be it circumstantial or not and apply reason and logic to me it shows conscious murder, may have started as a tiff and she scratched to protect herself, and he consciously followed through with evil deed. Hopefully succinctly the jury will distil the information and evidence back to the indisputable facts - so clearly put buy Todd Fuller inbeing Allison's advocate.
     
  10. Thinking

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    Yes that was great :) I also loved when he called GBC on his story about "having to set up an office at home" as he needed to look after Allison (essentially), when really the reason he was at home was because he was made redundant!
     
  11. Susan12

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    Last week it seemed they wanted to understand murder vs manslaughter so I wondered if that where they are at.

    Now with wanting to know about circumstantial evidence in this way it makes me wonder if it's further back on whether he is guilty at all? :S I'm not really liking how the passage ended, if it makes them start over questioning reasonable doubt to think it's any doubt and start questioning themselves.

    What do you guys think from them asking this?
     
  12. catswhiskers

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    Yes, the 'subtle touch' comment that sprang to my mind first was the one about the toys being placed in the car. How convenient they were.
     
  13. BatWoman

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    I was a bit worried today. I get the feeling that there's a couple of jurors who are having problems with reasonable doubt, ie it's not ALL doubt, and we'll end up with a hung jury and have to go through it all again. I have everything crossed that we'll see justice served tomorrow.

    I'm a little bit scared but i'm okay:eek:kay:
     
  14. HoolyDooly

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    Yes amatteroftime. Great summary! It was good to read through again as it encapsulated the undoubted events and the unanswered questions
     
  15. Susan12

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    I hope the jury get both of these things, I'm feeling concerned!
     
  16. Tangled_Web

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  17. Susan12

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    I hope the jury are clear that reasonable doubt doesn't mean any doubt. I never heard the judge explain that to them do they get given anything that does?

    I feel like the prosecution was able to surprise them in what they said and had a strong case. If it went to a retrial they'd lose that element of surprise. I also fear that GBC wouldn't take the stand again in another trial after seeing how it went here as I think that helped the prosecution. So I don't want them to be hung and I want them to find him guilty ASAP.
     
  18. HoolyDooly

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    Tigerlily75 Well-Known Member

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    That's what I'm worried about too. I hope the judges comments today cleared it up for them, I really do. Beyond reasonable doubt, not beyond all doubt.
     
  20. Fuskier

    Fuskier Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Marlywings.
     
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