The Zodiac Killer...maybe?

Discussion in 'The Zodiac Killer' started by lymom3, Aug 30, 2008.

  1. lymom3

    lymom3 Active Member

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    It would be incredible if this case was to be solved at this late date.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414022,00.html

    The Zodiac killer kept the country on edge for five years in the late 1960s and early 1970s before his series of murders in Northern California's Bay Area stopped abruptly. The killer was never found, though plenty have speculated on his identity.
     
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  3. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    Full disclosure: I also post at the zodiackiller.com message board.

    There is a lot of compelling evidence there, if it is true. Unfortunately Kaufman has been around for years, is aggressive, self-contradictory and mercenary, offering to sell Zodiac artefacts to researchers rather than handing them in to investigators.

    You also have to wonder why Kaufman is allowed to handle these items of "evidence" if that is truly what they are, rather than something that he has fabricated.

    I find Tarrance a plausible suspect - but I don't find Kaufman a plausible investigator. If the evidence came from someone else I would be on the cusp of believing that the case had been solved, subject to DNA - but Kaufman's attitude makes me think that he is an egotistical attention seeker with no regard for others.

    So if Tarrance is the killer, it's a case of "like father, like stepson."
     
  4. Richard

    Richard New Member

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    There is a thread in Cold Cases about the Zodiac case that goes back a few years.

    I have always felt that there may have been more than one serial killer responsible for the murders generally credited to Zodiac. And I think that the guy who wrote the Zodiac letters may have taken credit for killings that he did not commit, just to boost his standing with the police and public.

    It is not likely that these killers worked together, but rather that there were several around in the San Francisco area and other places in California and Nevada and that some how they were linked through similarities or coincidence. Or through Zodiac (the writer) claiming to have committed the crimes.
     
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    Dr. Doogie New Member

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    Years ago, Dennis Kaufman offered to sell a piece of Paul Stine's bloody shirt for $50,000 (Stine was a cabbie killed by Zodiac and Z used to include swatches of the shirt in his letters for verification). Yet there is no mention of this shirt being given to the FBI for testing. (Strike one)

    Dennis claims that the FBI tested Jack Tarrance's DNA in 2000 and determined that he was the Zodiac. If that was true, then why are they doing this new round of testing? - They already "have their man". (Strike two)

    Dennis allegedly wrote a book and sold copies on his website. I say allegedly because few if any ever actually received his book. When challenged as to the book's existence, Dennis posted a photo of a mock-up of the book - a shoddily printed cover wrapped loosely around a stack of papers that was supposed to prove that he actually had a book. When he was again challenged, he "withdrew" the book from sale. (Strike three)

    And now, Dennis just happened to find Zodiac's hood and a bloody knife hidden in Jack's old stuff. Of course, by pure coincidence, Dennis has just completed a "documentary" about Jack this week which I am sure will be available for a fee at his website. (Strike four)

    This guy is a huckster and a loser. I cannot believe that the media is giving this clown the credibility that it is. Five minutes of googling would have saved them from looking stupid, but I guess a "good story" and a "true story" are not the same thing.
     
  6. kline

    kline New Member

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    I think Richard Giakowski is a far more compelling suspect at the moment.
    Youd have to go to the Zodiac Board to read about him.
     
  7. cluznar

    cluznar New Member

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    Zodiac IS alive and will soon be caught.

    Jenner Beach, CA Homicides -- 2004

    Gareth S Penn lived near Jenner Beach then.

    Gareth S Penn told me last year in a phone call that his mother would talk to spirits of the dead with a Ouija board.

    At Jenner Beach were found several pieces of driftwood with
    Devil/Evil faces drawn on them, both victims shot in the head.

    In early 2005 Penn moved to Seattle, WA where his son owns a
    restaurant.

    Summer 2006 two women Cooper/Stodden were murdered in a park near Seattle -- both shot in the head.

    Christopher J Farmer of Opord Analytical, an intelligence company, solved the Zodiac ciphers/riddles in 2007. They point to Penn as Zodiac.

    Mr. Farmer has also solved a cipher for the CIA and America's
    Most Wanted.

    Penn fits the profile of Zodiac -- he knows ciphers, binary code, map reading, and was in Army Artillery. He also is interested in the theatre and other things Zodiac wrote of in his letters. Penn is proficient with weapons. Penn lived in locations near all the Zodiac killings, just like Jenner Beach.

    On the Zodiac's Halloween Card there was a symbol used by
    Zodiac which is also used by Army Artillery, as I said, Penn was in Army Artillery.

    Zodiac wrote: If you figure out these ciphers you will know who I am and you will have me.
     
  8. mayfairlight

    mayfairlight Former Member

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    Yeah, I would, wouldn't I. And when I did go there to register they asked me for money. I rather stick to my own theories then pay money to read about someone elses. ONLY web forum I have ever come across that demand I pay them to join!
     
  9. Mr. E

    Mr. E New Member

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    Isn't there a thread about this already? I remember seeing photos from the roll of film that was found. They were definitely creepy...
     
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  13. Richard

    Richard New Member

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    Bumping due to recent interest in Zodiac on this board. There are several different threads on the subject.
     
  14. shadowangel

    shadowangel Black cats consider me unlucky.

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    ...indicating that maybe the Zodiac should have a forum to consolidate all the different threads. Mods? :)
     
  15. Richard

    Richard New Member

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    I concur with your recommendation. There are several different threads in Cold Cases which discuss Zodiac. Perhaps they could all be brought together as threads in a featured topic case.
     
  16. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    I agree it would be nice to have a subforum or some way to combine the threads together.

    I had to search to find this one. Today Show is doing a feature on Zodiac this am so I came looking for it. lol

    wm
     
  17. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Just an FYI. The feature on the Today Show was lame, IMO. I know more from following along with you all than I got out of that piece. I am a bit upset that the hosts made light of this mystery. This Nutjob KILLED people for gosh sakes!

    MOO

    wm

    ETA http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41663930/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

    scroll to bottom of page for video
     
  18. KarlK

    KarlK New Member

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    I have often wondered myself if the individual who wrote the Zodiac letters had actually committed any murder at all.
     
  19. AKWILKS

    AKWILKS New Member

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    The man who wrote the letters was the killer.

    Several times he gave info only the killer would know, and in two letters he enclosed a bit of the bloody shirt of Cab driver and Zodiac victim Paul Stine.
     
  20. Richard

    Richard New Member

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    In my 2008 post which was quoted recently, I stated that I thought that there may have been more than one killer. It IS possible, as KarlK suggests that the writer of all the letters might not have killed at all.

    However, the big stumbling block as you point out, is that bit of bloody shirt. IF the writer did not kill anyone at all, he had to have obtained the shirt piece from the person who did kill Paul Stine.

    It is true that the writer, who named himself the Zodiac, did come forward with some facts about early cases which were not known to the general public. His earliest letters could be matched to later ones by the handwriting, excessive postage, and by the inclusion of pieces of Paul Stine's shirt.

    That said, Zodiac the writer made some false claims and promises in his letters which show him to be a liar. This is most noticible in his "score" tallies. For example:

    - On 9 November 1969, Zodiac claims to have killed 7 people in the previous December, July, AUGUST, September, and October. This was the beginning of his score keeping. In FACT, the only two unsolved homicides for August were Kathy Snoozy and Deborah Furlong. Those murders were later solved and another man was convicted of committing them.

    - On 27 December 1969, He claims an eighth murder. There were two unsolved cases at the time, but Zodiac gives no details whatsoever.

    - 22 March 1970, Kathleen Johns and her baby are abducted by a man whom she believes resembles an artist sketch of Zodiac. There is NO mention of the incident by Zodiac for months. He writes four letters before he bothers to mention and take credit for it. Everything he states about it has already been reported in the papers - nothing added by Z.

    - 19 April 1970, He claims a total of 10. Again no details at all.

    - 26 June 1970, He now claims a total of 12 killed, and indicates that he has killed a man sitting in a car with a .38 pistol. In fact, a police officer had been shot in such a manner, but by the time the letter arrived, police had already issued an arrest warrant for the man who actually did it.

    Zodiac indicated on two occasions that a bomb would be set off and it never occurred.

    24 July 1970, He claims 13 killed, and again on 5 October 1970, it is still 13.

    BUT in the meanwhile, on 26 September 1970, Donna Lass goes missing from Lake Tahoe. Months later, he hints that he is responsible in his "Peek through the Pines" card of 22 March 1971.

    When Reporter Paul Avery makes a connection between the Zodiac and the murder of Cherri Jo Bates in Riverside, Ca back in 1966, Zodiac takes credit for it and says that there are many more. He ups his "score" to 17 plus. Again no details what so ever.

    My point is that Zodiac the writer liked to play games and he lied a lot. SO what can you believe in ANY of his writings? He obviously took credit for crimes that he did not do, and he did not claim others that Graysmith suspects him of doing.

    There are a number of still unsolved murders in California which are related to each other. BUT whether or not they were committed by the same guy who killed Paul Stine is hard to say.

    Again, it is my feeling that there were more than one serial killer active in California back then and many of the possible Zodiac Victims may have been murdered by others.

    Zodiac gave himself a lot of press and built himself a legend. I think that he probably did kill people, but I think that he was much more into writing and game playing. There are a lot of unsolved cases and a lot of loose ends.
     

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