Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

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  1. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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  3. Beatrice

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    She could have been taken by one who was owed money/drugs.

    No one expected Ron to call 911...With his background.
     
  4. LoveEndsWar

    LoveEndsWar When someone is missing it is everyones business.

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    After seeing what went down w/ the A's he couldn't really wait 31 days to report it.........
     
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    MADJGNLAW New Member

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    I came across this old article and thought I should add it to the theory thread since some of the theories have been close to what Zandt is talking about.

     
  6. txsvicki

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    I'm ruling out the oxycodone od. Junior would have seen something and been telling it, plus Misty could have talked by now and placed all the blame for it on Ron. It was his house and she'd been gone all weekend and might not know his drugs were around.

    Ruling out Ron hitting Haleigh. There would be some evidence in the home, plus Junior would have witnessed something and talked by now. He wasn't asleep very well that night, had a late nap, and it seems as if he was regularly kept up fairly late.

    My only theory is that Misty left the kids alone or took something to konk her out for sleep and someone who knew that she had done this came in and took Haleigh. Someone very well known to Misty and whose fingerprints and any hair or dna would be expected to be found in the home. Someone dressed all in black and probably on foot. The only question is about Haleigh's blanket. Was it there or taken.... and was it really washed ....
     
  7. doobiedoo52

    doobiedoo52 Former Member

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    Does anyone know for sure if any of the other houses of relatives were even checked for Haleigh on Feb. 10th? And what about that sighting late in the evening on Feb 10th at a Goodwill store in North Augusta, SC? 3 adults and a little girl they called Haleigh buying clothes? Was that all a bunch of bologne or do we even know? Just wondering.
     
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    I read in the media links literally for hours yesterday. If I recall correctly the blanket that Haleigh was covered with was the one that was taken out to the ramp for the dogs to get her scent.
    Now I have a question about Haleigh and her bike... how can you ride or do wheelies on a bike with only one training wheel on it?
    In the video of when the trailer was released back to the family it shows a close up of the bike and I don't know how to link here.
     
  9. whovillebaby

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    This is what I have thought all along Ron & Misty OWED for something.......
    That is why the 911 call is soooo QUESTIONABLE!
    I think the call to police was also somewhat delayed, they were all freaked out.

    Maybe they tried to get her back themselves (all the phone calls RC made) TN showing up so fast w/ the photo?

    Misty's brother being over there to help maybe because they knew these druggies, RC was at work and needed help with this mess,

    For whatever reason RC & MC really fear pointing LE in the right direction.

    Do you think LE has been tracking certain drug dealers all this time, that's why it is so secret?
    JMO thanks
     
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    I'd think if Ron or Misty owed someone for drugs that the whole family would have heard something and been scared half to death for their own safety. None of them seem afraid and Tommy got even more involved, hanging around going on drug buys and more on drugs. He didn't seem to be worried about the saftey of his own children or wife. Surely someone associated with drug dealers would have talked about a drug debt by now or Ron would have already killed people.
     
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    The statistics about the case said there were 644 sightings - all were checked out. [Apparently none were valid.] Published in on multiple media sites on 2/9/10.
     
  12. nomoresorrow

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    It has been a year + since HaLeigh was first reported missing. Having watched & listened, over the past year, to all of the players (possible suspects) involved, I am ready to commit myself to A theory; Here goes...


    From the time that Ronald kicked Misty to the curb ( - her clothes) on Thursday, February 5, 2009, HaLeigh & Jr. were staying at GGS's in Welaka.

    HaLeigh & Jr. were not at the MH (202 Green Lane) on Sunday, February 8, 2009 when Misty returned (per/NayNay-following Misty's phone conversation w/Ronald, NayNay dropped Misty off at her brothers and Misty asked NayNay if she had a condom) with her tail between her legs and condom in hand.

    It had been arranged beforehand between Ronald & GGS's, for Ronald to go to GGS's in the morning (Monday, February 9, 2009) to take HaLeigh to school and to take Jr. home (to 202 Green Lane) to spend some time with him that day until he had to go to work. Teresa was supposed to arrive at Ron's, by the time he had to leave for work, to either watch HaLeigh & Jr. there at Ronald's until GGS's came by later to pick them up and take them back to her house or Teresa was supposed to bring them back to GGS's in Welaka.

    GGS's called Ronald Monday morning (2/9/09) and told him that HaLeigh was having a fit because she didn't have the outfit she wanted to wear to school that day - GGS's told Ronald to bring it with him when he came that morning to take HaLeigh to school.

    GGS's didn't know Misty "was back" in the picture until Ronald showed up with Misty in tow that morning - and she was not happy. Not only was GGS's mad at Misty for running around & cheating on Ronald; GGS's wasn't pleased about some things that HaLeigh & Jr. had recently told her about Misty's treatment toward them. GGS's told Ronald to leave Jr. there with her for the day instead of taking him back to Satsuma because Ron & Misty's relationship had been extremely volitile/explosive of late and she didn't want Jr. (or HaLeigh) caught in the middle of it...again.

    After Ronald & Misty left to take HaLeigh to school...

    GGS's called Teresa to tell her that Ronald had showed up with Misty and she kept Jr. there with her because she didn't want him getting caught in the middle of one of their fights...again. GGS's told Teresa that she'd only be picking HaLeigh up later that day, after she got out of school, and to bring her back to Welaka. (to GGS's)

    Behind the scene, but still at play, are unresolved issues between GGS's & Teresa...
    Teresa (still) resents her mother for interfering when Ronald & Crystal were young. TN, rather than looking back on the situation honestly and being grateful that her Mother & Father were there for her kids when she couldn't be the mother that they needed, transfers her own feelings onto the current situation with GGS's & Ronald/HaLeigh/Jr. TN can't hear (or see) the legitimate reasons for GGS's concerns because she sees it as a repeat/replay of GGS's taking over with Ronald's kids - just like she did to her.
    Because Teresa doesn't except responsibility for dating and/or bringing home abusive/addicted men; men who did not have her and her children's best interest at heart, she feels that GGS's just never approved of her choices and ultimately robbed her of the opportunity to have a real family of her own; with her, her children and a man, and she was not going to let GGS's do the same to Ron.

    Now back to Ronald...
    Granted, Ronald had spent the night/had sex with Misty but to Ron, who was still irate at Misty, it was nothing more than a grudge_uck. He didn't want Misty moving back in and taking care of HaLeigh & Jr. just yet. Teresa called Ron that day but Misty wasn't there at that time; she'd gone to see her Dad in the hospital. Ron tells Teresa he'd like to get to work a little early that day and asks her if she could be there to pick HaLeigh up at the bus stop so he doesn't have to wait around until then. Teresa tells Ron that she'll be there to get her. Later, Teresa remembers she has an appointment and she won't be able to get there in time to pick HaLeigh up at the bus stop so she calls Misty. Misty isn't sure it's such a good idea (Teresa fails to see a problem with it because R & M spent the night together... She sees it as "No big deal" and fails to understand that just because her son had sex with her didn't mean he wanted to go "back to business as usual"). Misty tells Teresa if it's okay with Ron, she'll do it but Teresa doesn't want to call Ron back and pizz him all off when she tells him she forgot she had an appointment that day... so she offers Misty money to do it but Misty doesn't want the money. Then Teresa "reminds" Misty that Ronald won't even be home. He'll already have left for work and it will only be for 15-20 minutes til she gets there to get HaLeigh. Besides, Teresa tells Misty, she trusts her even if GGS's doesn't...

    *Who was supposed to pick HaLeigh up at the bus stop?
    Teresa
    *Who actually picked HaLeigh up at the bus stop?
    Misty
    *Was Ron seen at the bus stop too?
    Yep

    Ronald didn't end up leaving for work early as he had planned. Maybe he fell asleep and woke up late (whatever the case may be). When he does head out to work and drives by the bus stop, he sees HaLeigh getting into a vehicle and driving off with Misty - not Teresa. Ron goes after Misty. HaLeigh didn't want to be with Misty anymore: Ron knew it, GGS's knew it - and Misty knew it. Teresa just attributed it all to GGS's interference in Ron's life -just like she did to her.

    At some point Misty and Ronald pulled onto a dirt road - the chase came to an end but...

    During the chase, HaLeigh was freaking out and bumped her head...
    During the chase, HaLeigh freaked out and let herself out of her seatbelt; when Misty came to a sudden stop, HaLeigh was thrust forward, causing internal abdominal and/or head injuries...
    HaLeigh was not taken to a hospital for treatment initially because the seriousness of her unjury/ies wasn't recognized - When they finally were, the fear of Ronald losing custody outweighed taking HaLeigh to an ER for treatment. HaLeigh's condition worsened and she succumbed to her injury/ies.

    Some have said that if more than a couple people knew what happened to HaLeigh than at least one person out of the group would talk - I disagree, at least in this case.

    Ronald & Misty wouldn't talk ~
    TN & GGS's wouldn't talk (If TN had only been at the bus stop that day...) ~
    A licensed nurse wouldn't talk (unless she wants to lose her license for not calling 911 at that time) ~
    Timmy & Chelsea wouldn't talk ~

    Who gets thrown under the bus?
    The two that, albeit are crooks, were not however, involved in this particular crime.
    ETA: When (or by the time that) Tommy went over to the MH, HaLeigh wasn't there.

    *This is a theory - not to be confused with fact.
     
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    Thank you for pulling up this thread again! I think a lot of the threads are turning into theories again and this is the place for them.

    Interesting post, Nomoresorrow!
     
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    great post!
    bolded I agree with
    thanks!
     
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    Nomoresorrow...

    That is a really good theory! IMO, that is why TN went into coverup mode with her son and teenage girlfriend. I believe they all played a part in whatever happened to Haleigh. That could be the reasoning behind the "you think she will talk" statement TN made to Ron in jail. IMO, she sounded really strange asking that question. It didn't sound like TN was asking that question concerned they could put an end to this charade and would find out what happened to Haleigh but rather her asking that question as if she was "scared" Misty would talk and tell what she knows. Weird....

    I wouldn't be surprised if something happened to Haleigh on TN's watch not Misty's. It's funny that we just recently heard about Misty being bribed to babysit. Wonder why we didn't hear about that in the beginning? IMO, things are starting to unravel fast and TN seems to be more nervous than Ron and Misty. JMO
     
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    Just to add, that a female in a drug family is pretty protected.
    She is usually just somebody's "girl or old lady" just part of the family, has a couple of kids and ends up in the picture.
    With Misty, she sure ended up there "in the picture", she caught on to the way things work, and Ron let her "work it".
    We all saw it in the UC bust tapes, she is running DRUGS! I see her brothers, father & even Ron around her doings, but she & Ron have their secrets about the disappearance of Haleigh.

    Another thing I would have never been allowed to sell drugs like Misty was doing.
    Protected I was........ I could use drugs (I did not), but never sell!
    That was how it was for the women in the family I was in. Italians????
    They sent us on our way somewhere with the kids, shopping, playing somewhere, but never around major shipments (men's work).
    I am kind of rambling, I hope you all see what I am saying though......
    Us girls would be a Disney World with the kids, and the guys would make alot of money!
    We heard plenty of true drug talk, but we're expected too, and DID keep our mouths shut!
     
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    Sad to say, but I did hear of people being killed (chicago comes to mind).....never children being kiddnapped though?
    I would have freaked, and went into hiding for life!
    Who knows what goes on in some circles? They (ex, his brothers, uncles & father in law) certainly wouldn't have hesitated to slap me up if I were out of line, or spoke my feelings about the life I was living.

    This is a different day and age, I would certainly believe that dealers would take a child for payment.
    IMO there are a few people that know "the truth" of what happened to that little girl that night!
    Misty has shut her mouth because she was told to! She may want to say, but she can't!

    I really hate those years of my life.....but am proud of myself for leaving......it was not easy, there were things held over my 19 year old head, including my baby daughter being taken from me, and me never seeing her again.
    I believe they trusted me, that I would not talk, and I didn't!
    We were taught to plead the 5th......
     
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    Excellent post, Nomoresorrow. I totally agree with you that the kids were in Welaka since probably the Thursday before. I myself have posted the same theory that RC had to run an outfit to GGS house and then take Haleigh to school. Also, I totally agree with your analysis of GGS and TN's relationship. I think GGS had the same type of relationship with her daughter Katrina as evidenced by the harassment and interference of child custody documents filed between the two of them.

    The only thing I question is what happened after Haleigh was picked up from school. There were witnesses who said she drove in the opposite direction of the MH. Possibly she went to Welaka and picked up Jr as well at that time. The neighbors did see the kids playing in the yard after school. (If only we knew what the AC man said.) Also, if Teresa was only going to be 20 minutes late or so, why didn't she ever show up? We also know that the van had to somehow get back to Chelsea and Timmy's. Did Tommy take it when he left?

    Hmmm-here's a thought: if Misty and Haleigh went to pick up Jr at GGS' after school, maybe they picked up a bunch of their stuff--like Haleigh's blanket and some toys. When they got home, they forgot to take the blanket in the house. Then if Tommy took the van when he left with his kids, the blanket would still be in the van that they took.

    I just don't think Teresa was supposed to be with the kids because Ron talked to the AC guy on Misty's phone. He knew she was there. But, I DO still wonder how TN got there in 10 minutes if she lived in Lady Lake--something was fishy there.

    Again, great post, Nomoresorrow!
     
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    I hate shooting down theories because I don't want to dissuade anybody.....

    BUT......

    We're talking about peeps who were apparently getting their drug supply from ordinary people, not drug kingpins. Definitely not the Mexican Mafia or the Columbian Cartel.

    JMO - the "suppliers" were getting scrips from their doctor(s) and selling/giving them to Ronald, Misty, and Tommy.
     
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    Hi doobiedoo - I'll give my best shot at addressing your questions - please bear with me as my head starts spinning when I try to sort this all out... :crazy:

    Misty had Tommy & Lindsey's blue van when she picked HaLeigh up at the bus stop that day. Now we know that that van ended up at Timmy & Chelsea's because Chelsea claims that the van wasn't parked the way she'd left it and the keys were moved... perhaps Misty told TN that she had to take the blue van over to her brother Timmy & Chelsea's home and TN agreed to meet her there to get HaLeigh from her. That may explain why Misty was seen driving away from the MH and why TN didn't arrive there to pick up HaLeigh.

    Misty never made it to Timmy & Chelsea's home because Ron saw Misty picking HaLeigh up at the bus stop and the chase took place. By the time that the chase came to an end and Misty was able to get Ron to listen to reason, explaining to him that his mother (TN) had called and asked her to pick HaLeigh up because she forgot about an appointment she had, it was somewhere @ 4:15 pm
    By this time Timmy & Chelsea are calling Misty to find out where she is because they were expecting her to be there with the blue van; TN would/could also be at Timmy & Chelsea's by then to pick up HaLeigh. Misty tells them what happened. By this time Ronald needs to get to work and HaLeigh is crying from the bump on her head (and/or other injury) so Ron tells Misty to take HaLeigh back to the MH (202 Green Lane). Ron calls TN on her cell - he's pizzed at her for going behind his back. He tells her that HaLeigh bumped her head (and/or something else), Misty is taking her back to the MH, and he tells her to get her arse there to get HaLeigh asap and take her over to GGS's.

    *Here's a possible scenerio that may fit in with a red truck being seen at 202 Green Lane AND explain why Tommy, despite Misty's account, has never colloborated Misty's story of him and his kids being at 202 Green Lane at 5 pm, but instead he admits to going there/being there, at the MH, at approx. 10 pm - after Ronald called him...

    Because TN was at Timmy & Chelsea's to get HaLeigh, she told Timmy that she could take him to get the blue van from Misty as she was now going there, to the MH, to get HaLeigh anyway. TN's red truck was an extended cab that had a bench seat behind the front seats (albeit squished) so Timmy brought his 2 kids along (Chelsea was pregnant at that time w/the third). They arrived at around 4:45 pm. HaLeigh was riding her bike when they got there. (fits with Misty's account of HaLeigh riding her bike/supposedly doing wheelies in the front yard and her statement, "she was fine" - or something along those lines that made many of us wonder, why wouldn't she be fine?)TN left with HaLeigh to take her to GGS's. Misty and Timmy were planning on leaving too but the A/C man arrived so Misty called Ron to find out what she should do - Ron talked to the A/C man and then asked Misty to stay there until the A/C man was done. Timmy hung around with Misty because he had to drop Misty off somewhere anyway - possibly NayNay's - on his way home. When the A/C man was done Timmy, his kids, and Misty left - somewhere around 6 pm.

    In the meantime...
    TN has taken HaLeigh to GGS's in Welaka; HaLeigh's condition has worsened. Although HaLeigh hadn't any breathing issues since staying there, GGS's thought that maybe if HaLeigh had a breathing treatment she'd feel better. HaLeigh's breathing machine was at the MH in Satsuma so GGS's had to go there to get it. TN (and/or Uncle D's wife/nurse) stayed with HaLeigh while GGS's was gone. GGS's arrived at the MH shortly after 7 pm to get the breathing machine. (IF this was/is the alleged missing item, this scenerio would explain why it was missing from the MH) By the time that GGS's gets back home, HaLeigh is even worse and the breathing treatment isn't working. In the midst of this, TN and/or GGS's are calling Ron to tell him about HaLeigh and to get a better idea of what exactly happened earlier to her; where did she hit, how hard did she hit... Ronald told GGS's and TN that, whatever they did, they could not take HaLeigh to the ER because he'd lose custody of both her and Jr. if DCF found out the circumstances surrounding HaLeigh's injury/ies. (Ronald was already on DCF's radar). HaLeigh died.

    TN goes into cover-arse mode.
    1.) Uncle D takes care of HaLeigh's remains.
    2.) Ronald needs to get hold of Misty so that they can work out details for staging an abduction scenerio at the MH.
    3.) The MH needs to A.) be emptied of all drugs/drug paraphenalia and B.) staged to appear as if an intruder came in through the back door and took HaLeigh while Misty and Jr. were sleeping.
    4.) Misty is out partying (as witnessed by others) and Ronald is having a hard time getting hold of her.
    5.) Ronald calls Tommy to see if Misty is there. Later, at @ 10 pm, Tommy goes to the MH to see if Misty is there - No Misty.
    6.) Ronald calls/gets hold of Timmy. Timmy knows where Misty is because she told him before he dropped her off earlier (at NayNay's possibly) or he dropped her off at the house where the actual party was.
    7.) Ronald tells Timmy that it's really an emergency and he needs to speak to Misty asap. Timmy goes to the place where Misty is partying to tell her. Misty talks to Ron. Ron tells her what happened to HaLeigh and he tells her that both of them will be going to jail unless they come up with a story. He tells Misty that his mother has a plan but the p. plants need to be taken out of the MH and if Timmy helps, he can have them. Ron tells them to go to the MH, his mother (TN) will be there to tell Misty the plan. Misty and Timmy arrive at the MH at approximately 11:30 pm - by the time that the p. plants are loaded and Timmy leaves, it's approximately 12:30 pm.
    8.)Timmy leaves to get rid of the p. plants > after leaving the MH, Timmy may get somebody to help him unload the p. plants. (possibly Cuz, Jo?) But nobody else went inside the MH that night except for TN, GGS's, Jr., Misty, Timmy, and of course Ronald, when he got home from werk.
    9.) After Timmy leaves, GGS's arrives with Jr. who is sleeping so he's put in the master bedroom in the full-size bed.

    *Regarding the dumpster hit: Did GGS's bring some of HaLeigh's things back to the MH from her house so that it would appear that HaLeigh had been staying at the MH all along? A Blanket, pillow, backpack, breathing machine,...? Something that TN pointed out couldn't come back into the MH because it had some blood and/or vomit on it that would alert LE? When GGS's left, did she put this item in the dumpster? Did TN later retrieve it from the dumpster after GGS's called her on her back to Welaka, telling her where she disposed of the item(s)? A loud truck was heard that night in the area of the dumpster > When TN went back to the MH that night to clean/stage/ and instruct Misty, did she drive back in her red truck OR did she use a different truck - possibly her boyfriends or another family member's in the area whereby she could easily exchange vehicles and show back up at the MH, following the 911 call, in her red truck. Like to know what type of vehicles everyone drives in this family...

    10.) TN tells Misty "the story" > Staging of the MH is completed > TN leaves (to await Ron's call) > Ronald stops at the store on his way home from werk making it appear as though he hasn't a care in the world AND to reinforce the appearance that he and Misty are (and have been) very much together; shown by him buying her a nightly treat too > Ronald arrives home and the story goes into over-drive...
    "911, What's your emergency?"




    This is a theory - not to be confused with fact.
     
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