Discussion in 'Gabriel Johnson' started by Litlred, Feb 22, 2010.
I can't shake Janet's name either knowing she was in TX around 12/18/09.
I must have missed that. How do we know he was in TX at that time? Thanks.
I posted this some time ago here. Look for Janet at this site. The phone #s match. Its her.
Litlred, how in the world did I miss your post?!:waitasec:
Le as this info right? :wink:
I believe it is in "things that make you go hmmmm"
I reported this to the lost group. I'm assume they forward it to the LE? I will have to check my e-mails but this may have been before JJ started working on the the case. I should probably send it to him as well and the family.
We need to be very careful when posting about persons who are on the periphery of cases, and where there is no indication of criminal wrongdoing. Be mindful when LE has not named a person a suspect or person of interest. Use initials only, no names, and back up what you post with solid, credible source reference links.
Litlred, please provide the means used to verify that this is JM. PM me if you're unsure if the source is within TOS to post.
I'll leave the JM info up for now, but we need a source reference link as soon as possible.
Please feel free to PM me or post questions in the Threadiquette thread any time.
Excellent! Thank you so much, mom
Theory Development - Is JM a Possible Middle Man Connection?
This thread is to first document the facts and record the source links for connections to Tammi's friend JM that indicate there may be a connection to what happened to Gabe.
I'll be bringing in posts from another thread. Please start adding your information.
Please make sure your reference links are to credible, established sources.
Please keep in mind that JM is neither a suspect nor a POI, and keep the focus on exploring those connections that clearly display the possibility of a link to what may have happened to Gabe.
If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me any time!
SMITH: Well, OK, in from the beginning, in talking to the police, they asked us, you know, did we ever try to help her. And I said, Well, the only way we ever tried to help her was, you know, before we knew she could change her whether or not she could change jurisdictions. She was telling us that she was going to run. She was go into hiding, change her Social Security number.
And so we panicked at that point, and we did not want that baby to vanish into thin air for the rest of his life. And so we were grabbing at straws, like the police are right now, trying to figure out how to keep that baby still surfaced, you know? And so we had thought of scenarios, and we talked to a couple of friends and people about the scenarios of you know, we have a house in Tennessee, and you know, things like that, that maybe she can go stay there. We can let her stay there. We could help her and all this, and while she`s changing jurisdictions.
Well, by the next day, after doing research throughout the next day, we realized, Oh, she cannot change jurisdictions. It`s illegal. So immediately, we started, you know, telling her, You need to come back, you can`t change jurisdictions.
And that`s when I called Janet M. (ph) from Tennessee and said, Hey, she`s not coming back. I don`t know what to do. Can you please tell her what her legal rights are and get her back here? And that`s exactly what Janet did. And so the cool thing about that is our computer will corroborate that entire story.
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Yes. They have received information that the possible sightings of Gabriel in the area. They`re all looking into it. They`re knocking on doors. They`re asking questions. They`re trying to get information out there.
They`re also looking to this connection with Tammi Smith. Apparently Tammi Smith got Elizabeth Johnson in touch with someone that lives in Nashville that knows adoptions and was also trying to convince Johnson to bring the baby home.
(Need to substantiate whether JM is the person referred to.)
TAMMI SMITH: She told me, I believe it was the day before that Sunday that she had found a domestic violence she didn`t tell me a name. She just said that that was her plan to go there and they would take care of everything because that was our last plea to come back. I had a friend in Nashville that works with attorneys call her and plea to her to come back here to Arizona to court on Monday. I had my attorney call her and plea to her to come back here and go to court on that Monday, so yes.
CASAREZ: So you say that she said to you the Saturday before the Sunday so you`re saying the Sunday of the 27th, she left
(Need to substantiate JM is person referred to.)
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, police have reportedly gotten a flurry of tips from Nashville. Now we don`t know in what capacity, whether Gabriel was seen alone or with the mother. But we do know the reports are that the mother had no prior connection to Nashville. However, Tammi Smith and Jack Smith used to live there before.
CASAREZ: Now what is your to Jack and Tammi Smith, what is your connection with Nashville?
J. SMITH: Well, I was in the music business for about 35 years. So I lived in Nashville for about that long. And then Tammi moved there and we met about 12 years ago and we`ve been together pretty much for the last 10.
CASAREZ: So what was the last time you were in Nashville?
J. SMITH: Last time I was in Nashville was probably about a year and a half ago? Two years ago maybe?
CASAREZ: Do you talk to a lot of people in Nashville?
J. SMITH: My family. My brother`s there. My two sons are there. Yes, after 35 years you do have friends there. Certainly.
CASAREZ: So what do you think about all these tips coming from a place that you used to live in?
J. SMITH: I have no earthly idea. No earthly idea. Nashville`s a beautiful town.
Even when they knew Johnson was on the run, they put her in contact with Janet M, an adoption specialist in Nashville, Tenn.
The FBI searched her house as part of the investigation into Gabriel's disappearance.
According to court documents, M was once challenged for allegedly stripping a father of his parental rights without properly notifying him -- exactly what the biological father of Tammi and Jack Smith's adopted daughter, Hannah, says the couple did to him.
So... How would a computer corroborate what was said in a phone conversation? That seems an odd thing to call "Cool" and I suspect it was stated that way to throw attention off of the call from/to JM and TS. For that matter, how does TS know what JM said when/if she contacted EJ. TS's real motivations show in her statements and it is ALL ablout her and what she wants out of this. (yeah, I know I'm preaching to the choir) She says she is concerned because EJ's not coming back here. Asks JM to let EJ know what her legal rights are but,this is key, get her back here." And JM, if she was on the level and only running legal adoptions, wouldn't want to associate with this case seeing that it could backfire. I also think JM would have advised her friend TS that she needed to steer clear of this convoluted deal because it would likely mushroom into a huge problem if EJ kept running and TS was linked to it somehow. The fact that neither of them stayed cleanly away from this isn't a sign to me that they were helping a young mother in distress; it's a sign that there may have been something in it for them!
What legal authority would a young girl (EJ) actually view JM as having if she were just a friend of TS's and why would she even consider taking the call if she was trying to blow them off at this point? For now, at least, I'm holding to my theory that the illegal adoption/ middle man had to have involved two women operating at different ends of the arrangement/ JM on the end securing the adoptive family and the payment and TS securing the baby.
A wild guess, just throwing it out there - and MOO:
If JM was a sort of 'middle man', perhaps she arranged for Hispanic Guy to run interference so she could avoid getting her own hands dirty...? Maybe she went to SA on the 18th, arranged what was to come and disappeared before anything visibly illegal actually took place.
What else do we know about this Little Miss Scholarship competition? I see it's in Austin. Looks like it was Dec 13 through Dec 18?
I assume JM had a daughter in this competition. What makes this competition suspicious as a link to what happened to Gabe?
Our Little Miss Scholarship Pageant goes from age 0 - 2 all the way to age 27 and up. It appears to be a worldwide pageant, although all of the winners posted on the main page are from the US.
Someone mentioned the Nancy Grace Blog having possible sightings in the comments. http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/201...ill-is-baby-gabriel-buried-in-trash/#comments
There was one that caught my eye that mentions Austin specifically although it is on January 1st. The reason it caught my eye is the poster mentioned that they went to LE not once, but twice....it sounds like LE inferred they had tons of leads (which is contrary to other statements from LE we have heard). The poster says they believe they saw the baby they had seen on TV on January 1st in an Austin airport with a woman in her 30s who met up with a guy in his 30s.
Please see the post on the link, it is dated February 9th, 2010 11:05 pm ET
ETA: Paraphrased comment--sorry didn't know we couldn't copy/paste comments
TS put EJ in touch with JM. Assuming now they decided they should meet, and go over options and paperwork, but JM had a prior engagement in Austin that ended on the 18th...the same day EJ left AZ.
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I think it's vital to know where JM was during the days EJ drove to TX and arrived at the hotel in SA. If she were involved, she could have been there making certain arrangements.