TH's polygraphs

Discussion in 'Kyron Horman' started by mamaeb, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. SuziQ

    SuziQ Well-Known Member

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    Man, you hit the nail on the head as to how psychopaths think. They didn't care for the victim and it's really throws them for a loop that so many other people do. It puts a kink in their plans of going on with their "bella vida" and pisses them off.
     
  2. Snail

    Snail New Member

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    School districts provide educational testing (IQ, academics, etc.) These tests are given by school psychologists and they are not diagnostic. They do not tell a parent what learning disablility a child may have, only that he/she may have a general Learning Disability. This testing is done to help students qualify for Special Education services. It is quite expensive for the district, and does not give specific info. ADHD can only be diagnosed by a Dr. However, it is very common for a teacher to fill out a checklist of the severity of certain symptoms. Just my two cents.
     
  3. grandmaj

    grandmaj Former Member

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    This is the last warning. Lie Detector news........ Continued warnings will result in Time outs.
     
  4. seeking truth

    seeking truth New Member

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    "Finster said Horman was very down. "She's exhausted. She said I don't understand why they keep asking me stuff. They want me to take the polygraph again. It doesn't make sense because I didn't do anything."

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html

    Does this sound like a 40 year old teacher speaking?

    Does this sound like a grieving parent working alongside LE in order to do everything to find her step-son?

    Terri's friend says that Terri said to her "I don't understand why they keep asking me stuff?" She goes on to say that Terri told her: "They want me to take the polygraph again. It doesn't make sense because I didn't do anything." If Finster is recreating Terri's word choices, I am appalled that a woman her age, with whatever true education she has, would speak like a guilty, whining, self-centered, and very possibly, deceptive child or teenager. (This is my take on it).

    I think that Finster's narrative of Terri's remarks and her emotional state, along with the way she is thinking, does nothing to help Terri appear in a good light. Terri's words and reactions, if they have been shared correctly by her friend, make me horribly uncomfortable.

    This is my opinion.
     
  5. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    People lie to LE all the time, to cover up bad behavior or an affair or any number of things. It is possible that if TMH falied a polygraph, it was due to lying about where she went after leaving the school. For all we know, she may go to the nude beach the first Friday of every month. And if so, she doesn't know how to go back now and straighten out the little lies without coming off worse than she already is. Just saying, if she did indeed fail a LD to questions as to her whereabouts, there could be a less incriminating explanation, but she might not know how to prove it now.
     
  6. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    Quoted because I think this is very important insight into TM's current (and likely usual) mental state. First, that statement is all ME, ME, ME. "I" don't understand..."I" didn't do anything.....it doesn't make sense to "me". She is focused on herself, her frustration, her exhaustion - the topic of Kyron has left her mind and she can't make sense of why they'd want to poly her again.

    Second, it is DEFENSIVE. She is defending herself to her friend - why are they continuing to bother me? I didn't do anything! She doesn't focus on the very real gratitude she should have that so many people are trying to find Kyron for her, they are not giving up, they are going over things over and over again for any small piece of information or bit of fact that can help BRING KYRON HOME. Many, many people with missing loved ones would be thanking the heavens to have even a fraction of that attention and interest in finding their loved one.

    I imagine they have asked KM, DY, TY, the teachers, the parents, the kids the same questions over and over again as well. TM however, is taking it personally and is now in defense (and whining) mode.

    Then again, maybe she is always like that. Some people are.
     
  7. Jules71

    Jules71 Active Member

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    I don't think I have seen an answer to this yet - but one reason not to wait is if he was taking medication(s) and was about to run out. A lot of times the dr won't issue a refill until they are seen and evaluations have been completed by parent/caretakers/teachers. (This is particularly true for ADHD stimulant meds.)
     
  8. Ladybulldog

    Ladybulldog New Member

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    When my daughter was having problems focusing and disrupting the classroom in 3rd grade. Her teacher explained to me on how to get her tested for ADHD. The Principal had the paper work on file. First get evaluations from the teachers that taught her and the principal. Second take her to get Psychological testing done. Third take all the paperwork from the principal,the teachers and the psychiatrist to her pediatrician to prescribe meds for her ADHD. Plus we had quarterly evaluations from them all. The cost was minimal since she was covered under insurance. Hope this helps.:)
     
  9. Jules71

    Jules71 Active Member

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    I agree. Remember Gate's no comment about if she had taken a poly. If she had and passed and they did not suspect her, I would think he would answer that differently. JMO.
     
  10. miabellamoure

    miabellamoure Active Member

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    My thoughts exactly...what a nightmare to begin with but, then to have doubts about the one your love & entrusted the care of your own child with only now to be shattered with the sick thought of...what if she did something terrible to Kyron?

    How do spouses go through each day, eat, sleep & live together when there's this doubt hanging in the air?

    I pray that SM is the only POI and not KH, too...but, then I feel such empathy for him to have to endure another minute with a person who may have shattered his whole world.:(
     
  11. Wise Old Owl

    Wise Old Owl Retired WS Staff & Founding member of AFKBPOFPOPL

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    AND he laughed! That's what caught me.
     
  12. CharlestonGal

    CharlestonGal Well-Known Member

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    OK, back to the polygraph. We've already been warned to stay on topic.

    My thought is that the first poly more than likely took place in the first few days of the investigation. It is now two weeks later and LE has a much better idea of which questions to ask and they want them answered under poly.
     
  13. kgeaux

    kgeaux New Member

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    a little clipping from the article......

    "Terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared," Gates said. "We are releasing this information at this time in hope that it helps jog people's memory of that day."

    This is written as a direct quote from Gates. After all the noise I've waded through about the significance of his statement saying Terri was the last person to have seen Kyron "alive" I am dumbfounded to see that is NOT what he said!!!

    Is there another link that contains the "alive" addition? Whether that word was actually included or not has extreme significance in my mind!
     
  14. No More

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    Like another poster said earlier, I really doubt that today is the second poly test. I'll bet it is the first. I'm sure her friend believes it's the second poly, but I'll bet she was not told the truth.

    IMO there are two strong emerging patterns, first a lack of concern for Kyron and second that she appears to be both a compulsive liar and a sociopathic liar. Here's a description of those behaviors and the difference http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/...-partner/compulsive-lying/types-of-liars.html
     
  15. Jules71

    Jules71 Active Member

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    I don't understand the reference to 3's - can someone shed some light for me? TIA!
     
  16. Jules71

    Jules71 Active Member

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    I was thinking/wondering that also - if this would be her first.
     
  17. seeking truth

    seeking truth New Member

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    Like other liars, Terri just goes with the flow when caught in a lie. If she committed the crime against Kyron, if it was premeditated (and it looks more and more like it was) her plan all along appears to have been to blame the school, blame the new teacher for misundertanding, blame any and everyone ELSE for her crime.

    She was setting this up on Thursday, June 3rd. Let the teacher believe Kyron would be leaving the school with her for an appointment on Friday the 4th of June. The teacher would not be wondering where Kyron was on this day, the day of the Science Fair, the next day. Then, after Kyron is reported missing by Terri, Terri turns on the teacher. Now, it was the "new," hard of hearing teacher who misunderstood. Wonder if the teacher is hard-of reading also, or the date on the paperwork was just not clear? My guess, Terri would have no problem saying that black is white, that June 4 is really June 11. Whatever Terri said to the teacher on Thursday and Friday, she would just say that the teacher was wrong. This is what liars and manipulators do.

    In my OPINION, Terri shows many of the characteristics of a psychopath from what we are learning about her. It really makes me wonder if the 1% of the population figure is correct. There is so much information regarding this subject, and psychopaths are labelled with different names. Here is just one, of many descriptions, by a leader in the research into psychopaths. If you read further, Dr. Hare gives in-depth descriptions so of the character traits he lists. He is the author of "Without Conscience," and unfortunately it is looking like our Terri here falls under that description.

    With the exception of Dr. Robert Hare's words below, this post is all my OPINION and belief and supposition.


    LINK: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199401/charming-psychopath?page=2

    "How to spot social predators before they attack.
    By Robert Hare, published on January 01, 1994 - last reviewed on June 01, 2010
    Key Symptoms of Psychopathy


    Emotional/Interpersonal:

    Glib and superficial
    Egocentric and grandiose
    Lack of remorse or guilt
    Lack of empathy
    Deceitful and manipulative
    Shallow emotions

    Social Deviance:

    Impulsive
    Poor behavior controls
    Need for excitement
    Lack of responsibility
    Early behavior problems
    Adult antisocial behavior"
     
  18. audreyfan

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    Okay, devil's advocate. Suppose this interview was cut and diced.
    These statements don't look too nice. But say the conversation between Terri and her friend was mostly Terri missing Kyron, blaming herself, and her friend trying to get her to talk about how SHE is. There could have been a much longer conversation in which this venting played a minor role compared to grief and sorrow, and that this is what the journalist left in. Not to mention the friend may not have conveyed the context correctly.
    I can't imagine how terrified I would be if I knew LE was looking at me and I knew I didn't do it but it looked like they thought I had. Innocent people have gone to prison before.
     
  19. Dee10

    Dee10 Well-Known Member

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    There was what at least one newspaper that printed "alive", but that was not the words Gates said directly from his mouth at the presser he did not say alive.
     
  20. seeking truth

    seeking truth New Member

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    It was said by him near the end of the press conference.

    I am saying this from memory, from listening to him speak. Is this statement not being found in the transcripts?
     

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