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    Timeline with known victims and possible other victims. Includes Atlantic City, Daytona, and four identified Long Island victims, marked by *.

    > updated 15 April 2011 to include Long Island murder victims from Long Island Press article (http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/03/24/long-islands-other-serial-killer/)

    Nov. 19, 2000.
    white woman in her 30s with brown hair, dead for several weeks before her nude, headless body was found, cut into pieces and stuffed in plastic bags. Her hands and right foot were never located, and police say the woman must have had some kind of identifying mark, like a tattoo, on her ankle that the killer had wanted to get rid of.

    July 26, 2003
    the naked body of 20-year-old Jessica Taylor on a plastic sheet, her head and hands cut off. They have never been found. Taylor was an upstate New York native, last seen on the streets of Manhattan, working near the Port Authority Bus Terminal, the week before her body was found, according to police reports. She had been arrested for prostitution in Atlantic City, New York and D.C., where she had just relocated from that same month

    2003 and 2004 -- I didn't find any other likely candidates yet.

    Shelly Hart, 24. Hart was last seen on August 6, 2005 in the vicinity of 75 Malcolm X Boulevard in Brooklyn, New York City, New York in the confines of the 79th Precinct.

    6 September 2005
    Migdalia Garson Diaz, 28, missing from New Haven, no other info

    6 October 2005
    Lisa Calvo, 40, missing from New Haven

    December 26, 2005
    Daytona Beach police find Laquetta Gunther, a white 45-year-old woman, in an alley on Beach Street. She was a prostitute. Gunther had been shot in the head. The body was not concealed.

    January 14, 2005
    Police find the body of Julie Green, a white 34-year-old woman, in a ditch off a dirt road at a construction site off LPGA Boulevard in Daytona Beach, FL. She was shot in the head. The body was not concealed.

    February 9, 2006
    Carla Viscentini, 22, missing from Newark. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vicentini_carla.html

    February 24, 2006
    Police find the body of Iwana Patton, 35, on a dirt road off Williamson Boulevard in Daytona Beach, FL. The body was found following a “mysterious call”. The caller described the location of the body. The caller was eventually eliminated as a suspect.

    6 April 2006
    Jessica Morales, missing from Dorchester, MA. Described as a high-risk runaway, very petite.

    15 July 2006
    Shirley Moon Atwood, 35, missing from Pittsfield/Canaan, Maine. http://www.nampn.org/cases/atwood_shirley.html Looks very much like the four identified women.

    Michelle Lyn Hutchings, age 27 http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hutchings_michelle.html May have been seen in the New Jersey area in 2007.

    NJ...Jessica L. Paolini, age 22 http://www.nampn.org/cases/paolini_jessica_l.html, known to frequent the same Camden area several other women have disappeared from.

    NY...Jessica Isabel Rodriguez, age 27 http://www.nampn.org/cases/rodriguez_jessica_isabel.html

    *November 20, bodies found
    * Molly Jean Dilts, 20, last seen in or near Egg Harbor, NJ
    *mid-October 2006, Barbara V. Breidor, 42, in Egg Harbor, NJ.
    * mid-November 2006, Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, in Egg Harbor, NJ.
    *November 19, 2006, Kimberly Raffo, 35, in Egg Harbor, NJ. Last seen getting into a dark Nissan Maxima with out-of-state plates.


    November 27, 2006
    Jessica Neal, 17, from Arlington, Massachusetts. Endangered runaway. http://www.nampn.org/cases/neal_jessica.html

    December 31, 2006/January 1
    2007, Erika Cirioni, missing from Norwich CT. Known substance problems. Resembles Molly Dilts.

    March 3, 2007
    woman’s torso, stabbed and stuffed inside a suitcase, washed ashore in Mamaroneck. One of her leg bones and her right foot with her toe nails half polished washed up from the Long Island Sound later on March 27 among the rocks in Cold Spring Harbor. On March 28, her severed leg bone washed up in a plastic bag a short distance away at the estate of Cablevision billionaire James Dolan. The rest of her has never been found.

    14 June 2007, Thursday
    Krissy Pruitt, last seen in New Haven.

    27 June 2007
    Olivia Arrington, last seen in Manhattan in the vicinity of West 87th Street and Central Park West. http://www.nampn.org/cases/arrington_olivia.html

    *Maureen Barnes.....last seen Monday after the 4th of July, which was on a Wednesday that year. Lots of people (including us) took Wednesday through Sunday as a very long holiday weekend.

    21 August 2007, Tuesday
    Elizabeth Barrett, 43, boarded a bus in Springfield Ma. on her way home to Greensboro NC. She was seen getting off the bus at NYC Port Athority for her tranfer bus and was never seen again. Her luggage arrived at the Greensboro Greyhound bus station 1 day after she was due to arrive. According to Greyhound her luggage was forwarded from NYC. http://www.nampn.org/cases/barrett_elizabeth.html

    Dec. 10, 2007, found January 2, 2008
    Police find the body of Stacey Gage, 30, in a wooded area near an abandoned church on Hancock Boulevard in Daytona Beach, FL. She had been missing almost a month. Gage was not a known prostitute, but she did have drug problems. Gage was last seen alive on.

    May 1, 2008
    Lutricia Steele, 27, missing from Schenectady NY, http://www.nampn.org/cases/steele_lutrica.html

    May 25, 2008
    Tamika Howard, 37, from Newark NJ. Tamika doesn't fit any of the profile similarities but I keep feeling like she ought to be here. http://www.nampn.org/cases/howard_tamika.html

    On June 27, 2008
    Tanya Rush, 39, mother of 3, dismembered and stuffed in a suitcase near Newbridge Road in Bellmore off the Southern State Parkway.

    July 7, 2008
    Saundra Foxworth, 21, Winslow Township, NJ. Subject left her residence with an unknown White/Hispanic male in a black vehicle, possibly a Nissan Maxima. The male had dark curly hair and wearing a black t-shirt with a punk design. http://www.nampn.org/cases/foxworth_saundra.html

    Brittany Peart, http://www.nampn.org/cases/peart_brittany.html. Probably seen after this date heading north.

    August 30, 2008 Saturday
    Judy Rivers, Fairfield CT area. She is believed to be a runaway. Per the Norwalk Police Department, Judy is a ward of the State of New York who was placed in Connecticut. She left with a boyfriend and has not been seen or heard from since.

    September 2, 2008
    Danielle Marie Nuttall-Ravert, 32. (http://www.nampn.org/cases/nuttall-ravert_danielle.html) from Trenton, New Jersey. Nuttall-Ravert is also known to frequent the Egg Harbor area, where she used to live, and Atlantic City.
    http://www.raganvirtualworkshops.com/2579.php4#more-2579 -- article indicating she was seen September 7 at the Camden transportation center, same place Jenna Lord disappeared from.

    July 03, 2009
    Maria Claros, Hartford. Her last contact was by cell phone when she told her mother she was in NY

    Sunday, 7-12-09
    *Melissa Barthelemy...Fourth of July was the weekend before, with many people getting the holiday on July 6. So this might have been the first available weekend.

    Monday July 13, 2009
    Leslie Colon, New Haven, very little data

    Saturday, May 1, 2010
    Shannon Gilbert

    Saturday September 04, 2009
    Angelica Cruz, New Haven, may be traveling in the company of an adult male. She may travel out of state.

    Sunday, 6-6-10
    *Megan Waterman

    Elena Jazmir Lozada, Tuesday after the 4th of July weekend, which was a three-day weekend with Monday the holiday. https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/8308/0/

    Tuesday, 9-7-10
    *Amber Costello......last seen, the day after Labor Day, which was rather late last year.

    two possible Canadian cases:

    around 25 November 2010
    Therssa Wilson, 30, found on the banks of the Thames River in Windsor Ontario in mid-March. According to police, Wilson, who also went by the names Therssa Jamieson, Therssa Fleming, Ava or Mindy, lived a "high-risk lifestyle."

    around January 16, 2011
    Kera Freeland, 20, last seen in Toronto; found mid-March 2011 in a ditch near Caledon. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/958793--dead-escort-had-no-sense-of-fear One of her working names was Meghan Parks (http://www.windsorstar.com/life/Esc...lligent+girl+employer+says/4485536/story.html) And a similar look, according to video here (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2011/03/21/17705511.html?cid=rssnews)[/QUOTE]
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    And here are the AC and LI dumping grounds;
    And when you additionaly look at how significantly the two sets of victims,
    4 AC victims, and 4 LI victins, are lookalikes, is this really a coincident?:

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    The Shannan Gilbert Timeline

    Here’s an unfinished Shannan Gilbert timline.

    Info on the years from 1986 to April/May 2010.

    The info on her movements on the night of April 30-May 1, 2010, is copy/past quotes from witnesses,
    phone records, sources with knowledge of the probe and media newsreports.
    So, reading this timeline-text might be a bit incoherent due to that different quotes, from different sources, are put together.

    (But PLEASE ONLY add FACTS/quotes like mentioned in the above)

    SG Born in Lancaster, Pa., on Oct. 24, 1986, the oldest of four sisters.

    (ca ) SG moved to/ grew up in Ellenville NY.

    SG went to New Paltz Central High School. Gilbert squeezed two years of class into one and graduated in 2003, at age 16, said Pottinger

    Once SG graduated from high school, Gilbert had several homes over the next few years: her grandmother's Suffern house, a boyfriend's place in North Carolina, an apartment in Upper Saddle River, N.J. She made money as a hotel receptionist, an Applebee's hostess, a snack preppier at a senior center, family members said.

    SG started working as a call girl, says family and police records.

    Working for an agency called Lace Party Girls, Gilbert, then 21, was caught in a Route 17 hotel sting and charged with engaging in prostitution, according to Upper Saddle River police.

    It was through Lace Party Girls that she met Alex Diaz, a driver for the agency who made $400 to $800 a day. His record haul was $2,600 in one day, he said. Diaz, a 29-year-old man with dark, shaggy hair, said he and Gilbert became a couple around 2008.

    2007, July SG was arrested on a prostitution charge at a northern New Jersey hotel, police say.

    2007, SG moved to Jersey City -- closer to Manhattan singing auditions -- but continued working as a prostitute, her family said. She used pseudonyms such as Madison and Angelina, Diaz said, and adopted a "pop star" look, often wearing wigs and flashy clothes.

    2007 Dec, SG start her relationship with Alex Diaz

    2009 Dec, SG start to have Michael Pak as a driver according to her sister Herrera Gilbert

    Pak said SG began advertising online in 2009.

    2009 while SG is working for a Jersey City agency, she met Pak, who identified himself to Newsday as an escort driver. SG charged $200 an hour, and paid Pak a third of the take, he said.

    The night Shannan Gilbert vanished
    April 30-May 1st 2010 Oak Beach, Long island, New York

    April 30, 2010

    Friday night

    SG, 23 years old, Clad in tight dark jeans, black strappy sandals, a low-cut blouse, and a brown leather jacket, she wore her blond hair (blond wig) loose over silver hoop earrings.

    8 PM...
    after watching the remake of "A Nightmare on Elm Street" at a Jersey City cinema, SG left her apartment for Manhattan, Diaz said.

    Friday, April 30, 2010, the new Freddy Krueger movie was opening. The two (SG and, Alez Diaz) stopped by Taco Bell and snuck the food into a local theater, Diaz said.

    10:02 PM...
    NEW YORK,NY 2 minutes SG phone call Michael Pak

    10:02 PM...
    At the corner of 32nd Street and 6th Avenue (this is right by the Empire State Bulding), she pulled out her cellphone and called her driver, Michael Pak, he said. Her mood was calm, Pak would later recall. "She sounded normal," he said. "Everything was OK"

    Inside Pak's SUV, Gilbert changed into dark leather boots and posted an ad on Craigslist, he said. By midnight, she was at her first appointment, a man in a nearby apartment, Pak said.

    May 1, 2010

    12 AM. TO 12:20 AM...
    Gilbert meets a client in midtown Manhattan by midnight.

    12:20 AM...
    NEW YORK,NY 3 minutes SG phone call Michael Pak

    12:20 AM...
    SG called Pak and said she had finished with the Manhattan call, and needed to be picked up. According to Pak, another client soon called from Long Island. Joseph Brewer, JB was in his words a "lonely guy" at the time.

    12:23 AM...
    NEW YORK,NY 2 minutes SG phone call Michael Pak

    12:25 AM...
    NEW YORK,NY 1 minute SG phone call Michael Pak

    1 AM...
    Gilbert and Pak head to Oak Beach, Pak said, for an appointment with Joseph Brewer (distance from mid Manhattan to JB address is ca 1 hour and 5 minutes)

    2 AM(ca)...
    Pak said he and SG arrived in Oak Beach (the address 8 The Fairway Oak Beach ). Gilbert went inside Brewer's house while Pak played poker on his cellphone in the SUV. Gilbert's price: $250 an hour, the driver said.

    Time ???...
    Shortly after she arrived, Gilbert and Brewer left the house in his vehicle for about 15 minutes but did not leave Oak Beach, sources familiar with the probe said.

    Joseph Brewer told The Star-Ledger last week that he questioned SG's gender that night. Joseph Brewer said SG asked, “Have you come across any transvestites?” He was turned off, he said, and started to wonder if she was man or at least part man. “I wanted her out,” Joseph Brewer said.

    Time ???...
    SG went to the bathroom for some time and emerged acting erratically. "She was starting to freak out," he said..Brewer went outside to Pak, asking for help in getting her to leave.

    In the timeframe 2:55 AM to 4:51 AM thise phonecalls was registrated on SG's phonerecords:

    2:55 AM... BABYLON,NY 1 Oak Beach CVS

    2:57 AM... NEW YORK,NY 3 Michael Pak

    3:00 AM... Incoming, 3 Michael Pak

    3:04 AM... NEW YORK,NY 6 Michael Pak

    3:13 AM... Incoming, 1 Michael Pak

    3:15 AM... NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak

    4:09 AM... NEW YORK,NY 1 Michael Pak

    4:51 AM...
    Gilbert calls 911, and police would be on the phone with her for 23 minutes (from 4.51 to 5:14 a.m.)
    It was the last call recorded from that phone.SG could not say where she was, and no officers arrived until nearly 6 a.m., after neighbors called 911. The driver MP's voice can be heard on her 911 call

    2-5 AM...
    MP said he spent three hours in his SUV outside the gated community, playing poker over the Internet and sleeping, when..

    5 AM (ca)...
    Gilbert's client phoned him at about 5AM saying Gilbert was refusing to leave the house

    The driver said he drove back to the client's house and found Gilbert, who was clothed, in the living room on the phone with a 911 operator, saying that a man was after her.

    Later, Pak said, Brewer summoned him to the house to try to get Gilbert out. Brewer grabbed her from behind at one point, Pak said. But she slipped out of his grasp and crouched behind a sofa, where she dialed 911 in a 23-minute call, placed at 4:51 a.m., and told the operator, "They’re trying to kill me."

    "I said 'Shannon, Get a grip. Let's go,' and she said, 'You guys are trying to kill me.' So I said, 'OK, I am leaving.' But then she said, 'Don't go."
    "After Gilbert refused to leave, Pak said he sat down, exasperated. He was beginning to suspect she was acting strangely because of a bad reaction to drugs and alcohol, which he said she often did with clients. Brewer said he saw no drugs. Police say they believe Gilbert was intoxicated.

    Finally, he'd (MP) had enough and walked out and got into his SUV, he said.

    Pak said he went back to his car, where he saw Gilbert take off running after Brewer "scared her out" of the home.

    "She never got back in my car," Pak said

    Pak said she bolted from the house, phone in hand, and fell down the front steps before running away.

    The driver said he ran after Gilbert, who is bipolar and has a history of cocaine abuse, but then lost track.

    5:14 AM...
    GS 23 minute long phonecall with the 911 operator stops.

    SG runs out of Brewer’s house to the home of Gustav Coletti banging on his door yelling "help me help me".

    5:22 AM...
    Gustav Coletti calls 911. Police arrived about 45 minutes later (that would be 6:07 am)

    GC said that Gilbert begged him not to call the police and ran from his house, again falling down the steps.

    GC says: "SG ran out to the middle of the road , she started to to come back this way and she turned around and she saw the car comming slowly, and stop, and go and then comming, and she took of on a run, right around this way and hid under the boat right there. I was sat on the deck at this point and I watched him come down (in his dark gray SUV ) and he stoped there, and I went down, and I walked ower to him (GC have described him as a slim Asian man weighing about 150 pounds ), and I said; were do you think you´r going? and that´s when he told me he has, they were having a party at the Brewes house and a girl, a young girl got upset and left, and he was trying to find her to bring her back . I said well I have called the police already and they were on their way. Stay right here.' GC says to the driver, the driver answered 'Oh, you shouldn't have done that. She's going to be into a lot of trouble.' I says, 'So are you,' " Coletti recalled, One of a sudden she (GS) took of again and went around that way ( toward the beach down Sandy Drive, a short, curving road that intersects The Fairway.) and he took of after her. So then I walked out to the gate, to the gatehouse I waited for the police as soon as they came I let them in, anneah i told them that at the last they went that way

    Gilbert ran around the corner, Coletti said, and headed past the gate, which is the only well-lit area in the neighborhood. Instead of running out of the community and toward Ocean Parkway, she turned onto a road called Anchor Way, which led her past the group mailboxes and deeper into the neighborhood, toward the water.

    Pak said he was driving around looking for Gilbert, and told Coletti they had been at a party and that the young woman who had gotten upset and left. Coletti said he'd seen her and called police

    The last known trace of Gilbert was a 911 call from a home at the end of Anchor Way, according to the neighbor briefed on the investigation. The neighbor said Gilbert’s sweater — or perhaps it was the jacket Diaz saw her wearing when she left — was found along that road.

    Pak said he resumed his search and drove around the gated community and outside the complex along Ocean Parkway -- texting and calling her furiously on his cell phone, she didn't respond -- before leaving the area 6 a.m. and believing that Gilbert would somehow make her way back to Jersey City.

    6 AM...
    Pak said he gave up his search for SG an drow back to New York City believing that Gilbert would somehow make her way back to Jersey City

    6:10 AM (ca)...
    police arrive at the Oak Beach gatehouse.

    May 2, 2010:
    Gilbert's mother says she received a strange phone call from a doctor who lives nearby, saying Shannan had been in his house the day she disappeared.

    "He called me on the phone. He said he had a halfway house and that Shannon was there," she explained. "She wanted to be off the streets and he was trying to help her."
    When we asked [redacted] about the story, he said he didn't say Shannon was in his house.
    "Of course not. That's ridiculous," he said.
    [redacted] is a former head of Suffolk County Emergency Medical Services and a former police surgeon who lives in the area where Gilbert was last seen, after visiting with a client.
    [redacted] denies ever meeting Shannan Gilbert, but he says police have interviewed him about the case two or three times. He wouldn't say what about.

    May 3,2010:
    the boyfriend (Alex Ditz) and the driver (Michael Pak) returned to Oak Beach in search of Gilbert and checked local beaches and area hospitals, according to the driver

    Brewer, the john, said he didn’t realize Gilbert was missing, or that she had run through the neighborhood, until he got a call in the days after. Pak, the driver, and Diaz, the boyfriend, dialed him on a three-way call to discuss what happened.

    Aug 2010:
    Coletti says a detective showed up in August to ask him about what happened that day. In response to Coletti's "Where have you been?" question, the detective told him he had just received the missing person report from New Jersey.

    Different info, not yet arranged into the timeline:

    Shannan’s earring was found in front of J. Brewer’s house by her sisters (PD missed this)
    Detectives recovered Shannan’s jacket in the brush where she had run early in their initial search, but now tell the family “it’s lost.” They also say they don’t have her purse, ID, cell phone.

    the only trace of Shannan Gilbert was a set of footprints in the sand, heading in the general direction of an empty, overlooked stretch of shore called Gilgo Beach.

    "That was the last time she was seen. We saw her footprints in the sand," said Justin Canning, 20, who lives down the street."She was in a panic. We thought she was on drugs."

    Neighbors said they knew about the party and the incident about the screaming woman.

    Shannan Gilbert's phonerecords:

    05/01/10 4:51 AM 911-000-0000 Emergency, 23
    05/01/10 4:09 AM NEW YORK,NY 1 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 3:15 AM NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 3:13 AM Incoming, 1 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 3:04 AM NEW YORK,NY 6 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 3:00 AM Incoming, 3 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 2:57 AM NEW YORK,NY 3 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 2:55 AM BABYLON,NY 1 Oak Beach CVS
    05/01/10 12:25 AM NEW YORK,NY 1 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 12:23 AM NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak
    05/01/10 12:20 AM NEW YORK,NY 3 Michael Pak
    04/30/10 10:02 PM NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak
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    FYI, I don't know if this has been addressed- but that link is only accessible if you're a paying subscriber of NewsDay- Is there a way we can get a google map going on this? I'd be happy to help- PM me if you want- a screen grab of the current map as is and a resource that is the best for me to check frequently for updates.
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    Hi KristinSchmistin,

    I was able to get to the map without logging in. There was a survey-type question in front of the story; once I answered it, then I could access the map. I've noticed that a lot of sites are doing similar things now. Is that the problem you're having, or is it specifically asking you to log in?

    Rachel and Josh
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    Be sure to check out the Maps & Aerial Photos thread.

    This post
    has a link to a good google map.

    And this post has photos of the Suffolk County DA maps
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    We've come across this problem in the forum for quite awhile. Registration is required to view the site for users outside of the region.
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