TKS S1 E6: "A Killer on the Road".

Discussion in 'Long Haul Truckers & Neal Falls' started by bessie, Nov 26, 2016.

  1. JulesV

    JulesV New Member

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    I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. I was just wondering why truck drivers aren't required to give fingerprints and DNA into the federal database before being hired. Wouldn't that help to lessen this epidemic?
     


  2. FindHG

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    Thank you so much for joining, newangles, and I love your nick. It's wonderful to have you help us make sense of thing with first hand knowledge of trucking. This whole case has been such a revelation of horrors and worst fears to me, about bad seeds among truckers and all the women who've come such cruel and invisible harm. Being an avid driver and taking naps along the way, over the years, I've never felt in danger from them, knowing to avoid certain things like anywhere else really, and often felt safer with them around on the roads in sticky places. I mean there's been hinky raising stalker types around once in a while, one comes across and would try to lose, in trucks, RV's, old jalopies, and beat up cars, more so. Great to read what you think. Much appreciated and I look forward to more of what you think. A very warm welcome to you, Newangles.

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  3. dc20015

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    I was also interested when Williams mentioned the 2 women in the group. And when Rachel and josh asked for more info they blew right by them only asking about the 5 men. If these women are truckers female drivers are much more rare. Smaller pool and if a name isn't a lie much easier to follow up on. Even if they weren't involved in these particular cases that's a connection missed to maybe some other cases or a larger network.

    Edited to say that also not all members of the network are necessarily drivers. Could be pimps/madams/other criminals at a base site etc
     
  4. FindHG

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    Where would a network like that go for medical treatment? I have no doubt it would come up for them with human trafficking involved, but that kind of service would be very rare, I imagine, extremely trusted, off-book and invested, sedentary most likely, in one place, probably not far from a highway in a place trucks wouldn't stand out. Just speculating off your post, dc200015. Thank for your consideration.
     
  5. newangles

    newangles New Member

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    After the recent episode of "the killing season," I was greatly validated by the theory of an elite group of serial killers who are in communication with eachother. Aside from this fact however, I would like to share another theory with everyone. I myself am a truck driver and have witnessed first hand, how dangerous these truck stops are. Taking into account the wide geographical range of bodies throughout the United States, has anyone questioned the sex workers with the pretense that they could possibly be a party to some of the killings? For instance, a rival sex worker who has knowledge of the transportation routes as well as the "dumping grounds." Intimate knowledge of the most dangerous of this subculture. It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to enlist the help of a driver to locate another sex worker and ambush for a kill. Nothing was ever mentioned about the sex workers moving through state lines and traveling with multiple drivers to maintain their annonimity. In reference to the burlap sacks, I have seen some sex workers carry these with their belongings inside as a knap sack. Since there are various reasons for truck drivers to carry these burlap sacks it would be easy to replace if used to cover a body. Also, the case of a woman killed and a toddler found in another location could be a result of an attempt to steal a baby but things took a turn for the worst. Selling babies or "black market" babies is a lucrative business. These type of crimes would be frighteningly easy for a well established sex worker who has been accustomed to flying under the radar for most of his/her life. Let's not rule out that ther are MALE sex workers as well and could over power a female sex worker for the sole purpose of absorbing the income territory. The conversation of murder, rape, and various other topics similar to these is not uncommon. The mere flippant tone when discussing these topics is chilling but normal among these groups of people. There is a "no tell" code which was mentioned lightly in the previous episode but it is no joke. They simply DO NOT talk.
     
  6. dc20015

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    Is there any other profession asked to do this? I doubt it'd go over well.


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  7. pineappleexpress

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    Fingerprints I have had to give for my healthcare jobs but not DNA
     
  8. honesty

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    If a driver has a TWIC card their prints are on file. But not all drivers apply for one.



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  9. forensicsguy76

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    Hey can anyone tell me what that guy said the group of truckers called themselves? I missed it. I was suprised he gave a name too. I wonder if anything will come of it.
     
  10. Ragamuffin

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    I know what you mean, even though the Kings Cross I used to work near is the London version! When I was in my 20s I'd pass by a very similar scenario you described. It was in the early 90s and I was an office worker, but back then Kings Cross was still a *seedy* part of London. The Kings Cross/St Pancras station redevelopment/Cross Rail hadn't even started.

    It was quite the juxtaposition between all of us commuters scurrying along like so many black beetles under our umbrellas and the actual residents of the area. But doing it every day meant *generic* we saw many familiar faces over time.

    I'm not sure if I believe social media and the net has made life for vulnerable people more dangerous, to be honest. Back then, all of us were dependent on phone boxes. Contacts were made via newspaper personal ads, or word of mouth. Or even just walking down the street. At least now we have the possibility of a digital trail, surely?

    I'm from an industrial northern town(UK). I remember one girl - and she was a girl, my age - who was always outside The White Hart, every Friday and Saturday night, in her red latex skirt and black spandex top. We never talked, but always nodded to each other as I and my friends went in to drink under age and listen to second-rate cover bands.

    One day she was gone. I've always wondered where. In this day and age, with data tracking, if she had been abducted maybe we'd know. I'm ashamed to admit I haven't thought about her in years until Joshua and Rachel and this thread.
     
  11. observation

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    IIRC- roadrunners was the term he used.


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  12. shadowraiths

    shadowraiths LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Special Staff Member Moderator

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    Rather than derailing this thread, please refer to the John Robert Williams thread, here.

    I touched upon both the group he mentioned, and the man he named, here.

    And Rachel found the name used in a game, and posted about it, here.

    Hope this helps!
     
  13. FindHG

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    [...]

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    http://www.georgiaworld.com/2016/11...-on-uncovering-serial-murders-of-sex-workers/

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  14. melmo27

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    Does anyone know if Neal Falls was err looked at for any of these murders? He was the suspected serial killer killed by a prostitute in WV
     
  15. relay

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    Welcome melmo 27 :). A&E just aired episodes 5 and 6 of Josh Zeman's and Rachel Miller's outstanding 8 episode series which includes the attack on a heroic woman, Heather, by a sexual predator named Neal Falls. In self defense Heather killed Falls with his own gun. Josh and Rachel have explored a possible relationship between LISK and numerous unsolved multiple murders of mostly women in several states. I understand more will be revealed in episode (7 or 8?) as to whether or not they believe Neal Falls predated on women on Long Island. I don't know if LE (Law Enforcement as a whole, to include state police, local police, FBI, etc..) is or has looked at Neal Falls for Lisk. The case of Neal Falls is still new and unfolding. It appears that various LE in several states may be now more than ever interested in that individual's possible involvement in numerous cases.

    OT (Off Topic): I just noted a parallel between Josh and Rachel's doc and the 11 or more remains found on LI. The canine officer and his K9, Blue, chose to train on Gilgo Beach, LI, reportedly because Shannan Gilbert was last seen and was reported missing from there. Instead he found remains of another young sex worker. Then more were were discovered. Josh and Rachel set out to focus on LISK, IIRC (if I recall correctly) and opened up a can of national superworms in murdered sex workers. I cannot wait for the final two episodes, and I hope to see more from them in the future. The good they've done and all here who have done so much are to be admired, I know I sure do!

    Here is a link to episodes 5 and 6.

    http://www.aetv.com/shows/the-killing-season
     
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    :welcome5:​

    melmo27, thank you for joining Websleuths and for taking the time and interest to ask. There's been much discussion of Neal Falls on the LISK threads (linked above in the banner), since episodes 5 and 6 of "The Killing Season" on Saturday. You would find the most recent mentions through a search of his name, and the threads posted below may be a place to start as well. Please let me or Steleheart or any of the mods know if we can help you as go. I look forward to more of your posts.

    Forum: Long Haul Truckers & Neal Falls

    WV - NEAL FALLS, suspected SK - LE seeking link to murders in IL, NV and OR
     
  17. TippyToes123

    TippyToes123 New Member

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    Did anyone catch the name of the serial killer ring that was mentioned in episode 6 during the interview with SK John Robert Williams?
     
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    The netahey
     

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