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Discussion in 'Victoria Stafford' started by crystalsleuth, Aug 12, 2009.

  1. crystalsleuth

    crystalsleuth New Member

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    Continue here for all TLM discussions so these can be found easily for future reference.

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  3. matou

    matou #los2188

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  4. matou

    matou #los2188

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    Here is an article with info about TMLs childhood in Mactier. It highlights traumatic events such as being assaulted by her mother in public, supposedly having an eating disorder, amongst other issues, Take this for what it's worth. Lots of info.

    Link: http://www.bracebridgeexaminer.com/article/136841
     
  5. antiquegirl

    antiquegirl New Member

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    TERRI-LYNNE McC. (b. June 2, 1990)
    74 Wilson St.
    Woodstock


    - Born in Woodstock to a stripper mother
    - Taken in by Carol and Rob McC. shortly after birth
    - Adopted by them at approximate 9 months of age
    - Troubled life – in and out of foster homes and detention centres (fighting, aggression) for past 5 yrs.
    - Rumoured to have stabbed a little girl (North Bay?)
    - Rumoured to have been sexually assaulted at age 4/5
    - Rumoured to have had eating disorder
    - Rumoured to have beaten mother CM and charged
    - Moved around a lot
    - Lived and attended school in MacTier, ON (Joseph St.)
    - Played on hockey team in Parry Sound (foster home?)
    - Returned to Woodstock approx. 2006
    - Reportedly babysat for nieces/nephews & 1 local Woodstock resident
    - Purportedly met MTR Jan./Feb. 2009

    RUMOURED PLACES OF DETENTION/REHABILITATION

    Cecil Facer Youth Ctr. (Sudbury)

    http://communities.mysudbury.ca/Sites/Cecil Facer Youth Centre/default.aspx

    Craigwood Youth Services (Ailsa Craig/London)

    http://www.craigwood.on.ca/about_us/about_us.htm

    KNOWN ARRESTS - 2009

    • April 12th, 2009 - possible charge - “Breach of Probation”
    • May 19th, 2009 – re-arrested, charges – “Abduction” & “Accessory After the Fact” (Victoria Stafford case)
    • May 28th, 2009 – charges upgraded – “Unlawful Confinement” & “1st Degree Murder"(Victoria Stafford case)
    COURT APPEARANCES – VS CASE

    May 28, 2009
    June 23, 2009
    August 12, 2009
    October 1, 2009

    TAGGED PROFILE


    http://www.tagged.com/profile.html?uid=5410657570

    MOTHER – Carol-Lynn McC. (nee Sandford)
    (Approx. age 50 - 55)
    (former stripper – used name “Virginia” and/or “Breese”)

    - adopted TLM at approx. 9 mos. of age
    - family in Strathoy and Brampton
    - alcoholic?
    - crack addict?
    - allegedly beat TLM – once in public
    - Intestinal Cancer – prognosis = 3-6 mos. to live (as of May 2009)
    - 125 OxyContin a month for pain – 2/day + 2/before bed
    - 34-year-old daughter and 31-year-old son who live in Brampton
    - 5 grandkids
    - did not like MTR

    FATHER
    – Rob McC.
    (Age 42 – long-distance trucker)

    - not TLM’s biological father
    - put his name on birth certificate to facilitate adoption
    - split up with CM when TLM was about 3 yrs. old
    - last saw TLM approx. 2002/2003
    - court ordered to pay about $400 child support
    - has not heard from her in 12 years
    - now lives in Smiths Falls

    PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER – Nancy McC.
    - lives in Woodstock

    RELEVANT MEDIA LINKS

    http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090520.tori21/BNStory/National

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...her&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

    http://video.winnipegsun.com/video/...uths-help-police-in-stafford-case/23978134001

    http://www.canada.com/story_print.html?id=1612290&sponsor=

    http://www.thespec.com/article/570217

    http://www.parrysound.com/press/1243435091/

    http://www.huntsvilleforester.com/print_article/136824
     
  6. elepher50

    elepher50 Help find Adji

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    A couple of screen shots for those interested in what was on TLM's fb account prior to it being taken down.
     

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  7. Alison

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    It is fact that she served juvie time at cecil.
     
  8. roseofsharon

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    In previous posts, it has been said that TLM would not have been smart enough to pull off a set up, but I'm not so sure about that. She may not be academically smart, but she is street smart. Just MOO
     
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    These pic's are very disturbing. I think this girl is capable of anything. You can see the hatred in her eyes.
     
  10. antiquegirl

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    This has to do with previous speculation that TLM and/or MTR were on LE’s radar from early on in the investigation:

    Since it’s a fact that all calls to and from jail are monitored by the system,


    IF LE had seriously suspected TLM of this crime prior to May 15,

    • Wouldn’t it make sense that all her calls would have been traced by LE?
    • Wouldn’t it make sense that every person she was in contact with would be contacted by LE in their search for an accomplice? (They would be able to get all name/address info from their phone numbers)

    IF TLM was in regular touch with MTR via phone calls (as DC said and why would she lie?) and LE had traced her calls,

    • Wouldn’t they have interviewed him extensively along with everyone else TLM was in contact with?
    • Wouldn’t it be reasonable that LE would put him under surveillance as soon as they ID’d him?
    • Wouldn’t LE have all pertinent info on MTR’s car as soon as they ID’d him?

    IMO, the answer to all these questions is “yes”. This leads me to conclude that:

    • TLM was only one of many suspects until very close to May 15th
    • Therefore, MTR was not a suspect until very close to May 15th either
    • Therefore, the early tips from the neighbours (and supposedly TM) about TLM were just part of many others and were not taken seriously enough to warrant a trace of her phone calls
    • Therefore, something came to light on, or shortly before, May 15th that led LE to interview him that night

    That “something” was likely the neighbours calling in his plate.

    "The Honda Civic was recently seized by the police and "was not part of the information we had prior to the arrest of the suspect (Rafferty)," explained Const. Laurie-Anne Maitland, spokesperson for the investigative team."

    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...ty)&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

    MOO
     
  11. gardenia

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    i agree that TLM would have some street smarts, but does that mean she could have planned the abduction & whatever the intended outcome was? she seems like someone who is following an order of sorts - this did seem premeditated in that she was spotted walking her dogs around the school - so it wasn't something she did impulsively. there had to be a plan.

    i believe that there is someone else out there who is part of this - and TLM was coerced into this to some degree (not that she isn't totally responsible for the outcome!). i also think it is possible that MTR was set up as the fall guy. perhaps not a popular opinion ... but JMO!
     
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    elepher50 Help find Adji

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    Just putting screenshots that I have kept out here for reference:
     

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    You know I am kinda of thinking even though she would have some street smarts, and I think that is a bit of an understatement considering her background. I just don't think she planned this herself, and I don't think it was a spur of the moment thing, I think that Victoria dying was unexpected and was not suppose to happen.

    That is just my opinion however.


    E*E
     
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    I agree. I think this is a young girl looking for love and attention. Maybe she got involved with someone and THEY put her up to this with many promises made about their life together once she is out of prison. (That is IF she is convicted.) This is Canada after all. Our penal system doesn't seem to take sentences very seriously and most offenders seem to be released sooner than later. It would be interesting to know, what, exactly she was up to from April 8 to the time of her arrest.

    How many other TLM's and young boys, are there out there, that would commit heinous crimes for some love and attention? Unfortunately, I think we will see more and more of them as the years go on. MOO :(

    CA
     
  15. gardenia

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    i really don't see TLM doing anything on her own - i mean, unless it was completely unplanned & spontaneous (like stabbing someone). this was planned & she may have just been one part of the plan - that is certainly how she wants it to look now. she wants us to believe that she is doing this for 'a guy' (namely MTR) but i feel pretty sure she didn't randomly choose tori. this was a direct hit on a direct target - and there is way way way too much bad stuff milling around TM and JG for this not to be about THEM! and i don't know if there is any link between MTR and TM & JG (besides going to the same gym?).

    i feel sure that TLM is not telling the whole truth (to LE) about what has happened because she does not want to implicate herself any further or bring any other parties into this - for whatever reason. she was really into all that gang stuff, so she is definitely a follower - but of whom?!
     
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    they went to the same gym?!
     
  17. antiquegirl

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    No, we don't know that for sure. TM had posted on FB that she had worked at three different gyms in Woodstock at various times in the past. We don't know when or even if it's true. We have heard that (possibly) MTR was arrested at, or coming out of, a Woodstock gym. We DO NOT KNOW which gym MTR went to. This is speculation only!
     
  18. gardenia

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    agreed - as i said, we don't know of any link between MTR & TM/JG ... the gym thing sounded pretty weak/loose anyway.

    so could this abduction (etc) have been TLM's own idea & way of seeking revenge on TM/JG? if the answer is 'yes' then i still can't imagine that TLM ever imagined it going as far as it did. she may have wanted to scare TM/JG & that's it.

    i think this is why people have said they don't really see TLM as being that smart to plan something this big out. sure, she could have done part A of a plan but that is about it.

    so, in my opinion, this situation either A) got out of control for TLM or B) there is someone else who put her up to this plan in its entirety.
     
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    Wow... I follow this case all the time but I have never read her profile (just saw the pics for some reason).

    So she claims to be Bi and likes true crime....

    Perhaps she and MR discussed Bernardo & Homoka and thats how this whole thing started. Sick!
     
  20. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    With only 36,000 population, and Goodlife Fitness having 2 locations, anyone know how many other gyms there are in Woodstock?
     
  21. matou

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    I know I'm gonna get slammed for this one but here is info from a facebook page r.e. an interview of one of TLM's friends (K Hurst) by a woman who many find to be very manipulative in her quest for information (she purportedly wants to write a book on the case). The friend has also stated that she may have lied about what she had to say. A poster named Dilbert gave us the link to this page a while ago. It is post #42 on the page.

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?u...sh=7aea8c4e0b15ff1ba29e30ebc3bc2018#topic_top
     

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