TN TN - Chloie Leverette, 9, & Gage Daniel, 7, Unionville, 23 Sept 2012

Discussion in '2010's Missing' started by SheWhoMustNotBeNamed, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Pediatric Nurse Georgia

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    Investigators would know this, for the most part.
    Baby teeth that are lost have no roots.

    If a tooth with a root was pulled by a dentist there
    would be a record of it.

    If several teeth with roots were found it would be more ominous...
    I seem to recall teeth are the last to burn?

    I also wonder since children's bones are softer,
    are not as dry as older folks, so would they burn slower
    or faster?

    Like someone else said, the dog was found so one would
    hope that means the children were not in the home.
    However a dog is going to react differently in a dangerous
    situation than a child so... :dunno:
    Deadly-Fire-Children_Desk_20120926152849_640_480.jpg
    http://www.kxan.com/dpps/news/national/2-tenn-children-missing-not-killed-in-fire-nd12-jgr_4648222
    IMO it was ARSON.
    The kids were seen by neighbors at 6:30pm on Sunday...
    I wonder if they saw anyone else at the home that weekend.

    Sure sounds like the fire wasn't set until about 3 hours after dark..
    Sunrise 6:35
    Sunset 18:39
    http://www.happyzebra.com/timezones-worldclock/sunrisesunset.php?city=Nashville
    Praying for these children!
     


  2. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    I wonder if the Groene house had been burned like this one... how long would it have taken to determine that they had been abducted?
    Scary thought...
     
  3. belimom

    belimom Speak the truth even if your voice shakes~M.Kuhn

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  4. Roxye

    Roxye Active Member

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    I live less then 20 miles from this travesty. From day one, I have had flash backs from when Dylan and Shasta where abducted. I pray to God this isn't the case!
     
  5. Indy Anna

    Indy Anna Well-Known Member

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    It's likely they would've been presumed dead. And the perv would still be walking free. Maybe he'd still have Shasta; maybe she'd be dead now at his hands.

    Initially, I had thought about Chloie and Gage being kidnapped by family members who wanted custody of them. LE seems confident family members don't have the children. It would be very difficult for anyone to hide the children for long ... unless it's a situation like the Groene murder and kidnapping. I certainly hope not. :(

    But, at what point do investigators decide one way or the other if there's no definitive evidence? :waitasec:
     
  6. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Is there anyway this family could have been targeted like the Groene's?
    Is the home visible from any main roads that someone could have seen the kids from?
    Not finding them in the fire just seems very odd...
     
  7. Indy Anna

    Indy Anna Well-Known Member

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    I posted a map of their home on the first page (post # 24). It looks like a rural area and the house is set back off the road. If someone followed them home from somewhere, they could be easily seen. I suppose someone driving down Kingdom Rd., who just happened to be an SO, might accidentally turn down their drive when looking for Haunt Hollow Rd. Maybe he stopped at the house to get directions?
     
  8. nursebeeme

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    http://www.wsmv.com/story/19645959/crews-now-searching-for-children-1st-thought-dead

    20 propane tanks in the basement???
     
  11. hollyblue

    hollyblue It may be the cock that crows, but it is the hen t

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    Very strange case. There are so many possible scenarios .... I hope LE can put it all together, but quite frankly TN is fast building a not so good reputation in the missing persons area. IMO It's very frustrating...and a sad feeling comes over me everytime there is new case there.

    I don't know if the fire would have totally destroyed the hard drive if they had a computer...probably so. Anyone have the thought the children may have started the fire intentionally? What if they had been communicating on line with someone who was a truly demented predator? Kids can be so easily manipulated by people online these days. God's speed to LE and hoping this case will be resolved. Praying the children are safe if they are out there.
     
  12. shefner

    shefner Member Since 2008

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    I hate to say it but when I see "TBI" I cringe. Don't like em.
     
  13. Sammiejo

    Sammiejo New Member

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    Thank yall for posting this. This is going on right down the road from where I am & we just heard about it last night. The amber alert went out here last night with no pictures & no description, thank you also for posting these so we know who to actually be on the look out for
     
  14. Gracelin

    Gracelin Active Member

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    summerthyme how is the family holding up? How are you?
    Still praying..
     
  15. Sammiejo

    Sammiejo New Member

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    It hasn't been cold enough for heaters here (this is only about 30 minutes from where I live) It has been warm enough during the day that the inside doesn't get very cold at night
     
  16. jadejazzkayla

    jadejazzkayla Well-Known Member

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    this shows tennessee doesn't need a suspect vehicle description as a criteria for issing an amber alert.

    in many missing kid cases when there is no description - that is the reason given by LE as to why the alert is not given.

    different criteria for different states.
     
  17. KaylynnCouture

    KaylynnCouture Well-Known Member

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    This is awful.

    Does anyone know when the autopsy results are set to come back?
     
  18. KaylynnCouture

    KaylynnCouture Well-Known Member

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  19. belimom

    belimom Speak the truth even if your voice shakes~M.Kuhn

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    If this is the case, then I wonder if the children were very close to the source of the fire origin, such as playing with matches near the tanks, etc. (Have they said how the fire started yet?). Otherwise, my gut instinct is that there would be some sort of remains, but I'm sure the experts know better.

    The Amber Alert, though, makes one think that LE isn't so sure they died in that fire. Amber Alerts usually mean they are certain a child has been abducted. I guess local LE has their own expert(s) that are helping them sort through it.

    This is just tragic all the way around. The parents don't know whether to grieve or search. :(
     
  20. Indy Anna

    Indy Anna Well-Known Member

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    BBM When I read about the 20 propane tanks, I wondered the same thing. That explains the intensity of the fire. If the children were in the basement and accidentally started the fire near the tanks, then the grandparents may have died when they rushed into the basement and tried desperately to rescue the children. By then, the basement was probably engulfed in flames.

    I hope forensics will determine whether the children perished in the fire. It's terrible not knowing either way! I hate to think Chloie and Gage could been in the hands of some deranged SO!
     

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