TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

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  1. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    I can't remember if Clint had seen the blood when he first talked to mom...if he hadn't, why the immediate panic from mom? What was happening in Holly's life to make her know something terrible had happened? Didn't Clint just say he saw her walk into the woods at that point?
     


  2. Flmomof2

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    That always struck me as odd. Why would the mom immediately jump to conclusions and think something was wrong. Even if it wasnt her boyfriend, couldnt it be a friend, neighbor, schoolmate since hunting is so popular with the guys there?
     
  3. OldSteve

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    IIRC KB knew something bad was happening and went into panic mode as soon as she got Clint's call. IMO her panic was because Clint thought it was Holly's BF.

    ETA: trying to find the right words to express this... by Clint saying he thought it was her BF, that caused a reaction in KB which I can well understand - KB picked up on whatever wasr taking place between Holly and this person was not right, he should NOT appear like her BF since he can't be - ergo panic mode....
     
  4. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Concern, yes, but straight to panic? That seems odd to me (in this otherwise very straightforward case...)
     
  5. Whisperer

    Whisperer Well-Known Member

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    When karen expressed hysteria (I assume) when clint told her it was Drew, what exactly did clint do with that information?
     
  6. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    I THINK that is when he went outside and saw the blood...if so, that is why I am confused as to her immediate panic, just because she didn't think it could be Drew and because Holly should have been in school. Panic seems a bit much, unless Holly was being threatened in some way prior.
     
  7. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Sadly what connects all these puzzles is that ther

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    But yet we have an employee of the school state that Karen was hysterically crying loudly.. Like wailing crying.. This was while still at the school when first informed by a msg that a neighbor thought they heard a scream coming from the direction of the Bobo home!!

    According to other staff members Karen Bobo was immediately hysterical wailing crying.. I remarked this was extremely, extremely odd to me when this was first quoted by the fellow employee..
     
  8. Plumeria5

    Plumeria5 Well-Known Member

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    I am wondering about threats, too. If there had been some indication of anger towards Holly (ex: threatening phone call, hang-ups, etc). And because of that, Karen surmised immediately Holly was in danger.
     
  9. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Sadly what connects all these puzzles is that ther

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    And then Ms. Facetious reply about this subject as well..
    I've always always found this very strange..FWIW.. It makes perfect sense when paired with the description of Holly being "dragged into the woods".. But as we all know and have been told numerous times, even by Clint himself, he never ever stated to anyone, especially LE that Holly was dragged anywhere.. Infact he says he never even said she was led into the woods by her arm either.. That what he witnessed was his sister and whom he believed to be his sister's bf, Drew walking casually towards the woods..

    That does not fit with blood curdling screaming and uncontrollable crying by Karen within the very first minutes of this taking place..*
     
  10. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Well, did Holly's mom get the "dragged into the woods version" right off the bat? That would make a mother scream...
     
  11. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Sadly what connects all these puzzles is that ther

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    Yep clu that's exactly what I stated back in May..
     
  12. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Sadly what connects all these puzzles is that ther

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    Ok, in going back and reviewing details as well as refreshing my memory on what tiny bit of a time line that we have something is now standing out to me like a very sore thumb.. And I am left literally questioning if anything we know is any semblance of what occurred that morning.. I'll explain..

    To refresh EVERYONE's memory of the times that we know.. Initially we were all focused on saying Holly left the door of the house right at 7:30am headed to her car.. Once the family family spoke out we were corrected that the time was 7:40am when Holly was out the door headed to her car.. I really need others opinions on what I'm outlining here and what your thoughts are because we have some definite times to work with according to what LE has told us as well..

    So, if Holly's outside of her home at 7:40am.. Then we know for a fact that there is some amount of minutes that pass to the point of Clint being awakened by dog's bark.. His going to the window where he is looking outside of the house into the inside of the attached garage where he sees 2 silouhettes and hears voices.. I am not even going to attempt to put an amount of time, as in minutes, as to how long these things would have taken to occur from the time of 7:40am when Holly is leaving headed to the car(again that's the time been given us by LE and family)..

    Clint calls his mom after he sees and hears these two people to find out who it is..

    We know from there that he sees the two walk off towards the woods and many think likely at some point thereafter the scream was heard by neighbors.. Quite possibly due to Holly and the abductor being closer to the neighbor's property as they walk thru the woods.. Thus why they heard the screams and not Clint..

    Another quick refresher that we know from having researched it and early on had some locals weigh in as well.. That the distance from the Bobo residence to Karen's elementary school is 27 minutes travel time one way..
    We know from Karen and Dana Bobo that they left the home at 7:00am that morning.. Then we have Holly leaving out to head to her car at 7:40am that morning and then we have the events described by Clint that would cause some passage of time(again I am not going to even guesstimate on how much time elapsed from Holly exited the house to the point in which Clint's awoken, goes to window, and eventually sees silouhettes, as well as gets close enough to hear voices, at which time he then makes a call to mom to find out whose in the garage.. I'll let each person decide for themselves how much time they think elapsed from 7:40am for all of those events in between to the time Clint actually makes the call to mom..

    Because what I do know as well is this.. LE states that they arrived on the scene at the Bobo residence a few minutes before 8am and that when they arrived that Karen Bobo was at the residence..

    How can this be?? Anyone?? Because I don't care if Clint actually was placing the call to mom as Holly was walking out the door to leave at 7:40(obviously we know that didn't happen).. But even if he had made the call at 7:40 that still does not allow for Karen Bobo to be home prior to 8am when LE arrives????

    The call wasn't placed at 7:40am tho.. Because Clint still had to be awakened, went to an area and viewed and heard voices coming from the garage, notices Holly's car still home, and decides to then call mom to see who was in the garage..
    That without a doubt is going to make that call closer to 7:50 than 7:40 at the least.. No matter how you slice it, how you calculate it.. It still does not fit.. How could Karen have received this call she says she was in the cafeteria when it came in, has her blood curdling reaction, and travels home and arrives at home prior to LE arriving a few minutes before 8am.. I just cannot make it fit.. It makes me wonder what happened that morning.. Because these times do not fit, either..

    Would love to hear others opinions.. And especially those who totally disagree and see nothing questionable with this small, tiny piece of the tiny, partial time line that we do know and has been verified for certain.. Because I just can't make it fit.. The travel time to the school is 27 mins.. The travel time home is 27 mins.. I don't care who is hauling azz, unless there is teleporting involved, or Samantha from Bewitched's magical nose, there is no way in He!! That Karen could have been back home BEFORE LE arrive a few minutes prior to 8am.. before, not as LE is arriving but BEFORE LE ARRIVES A FEW MINUTES BEFORE 8am Karen Bobo is at home at the Bobo residence on Swan Johnson Road..??
     
  13. Dewey2Me1MoThyme

    Dewey2Me1MoThyme Have clue will sleuth!

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    The things that has bothered me most in the Holly Bobo case are
    #1, the family for the most part had others speak for them, and I don't think (at least in the beginning) that Clint ever spoke directly with the media
    #2 I watched the mother's reaction ( getting rubber legged) in front of the camera and no matter how many times I watched it, or tried to see it as genuine, I just can't. It looked like very poor acting. I know some will think me cruel for stating that, but that's the way I see it.
     
  14. SmoothOperator

    SmoothOperator Sadly what connects all these puzzles is that ther

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    Ok. Seems I'm the only one here right now.. lol.. But in doing some further thinking on this trying to make it fit.. I am going to plug in the scenario that Karen received the call from the neighbor first(meaning the scream did not take place once Holly and abductor were in the woods as many of us have theorized).. But that the scream came at some point prior.. That means that still we have Holly exiting the house at 7:40am.. Even if the scream came soon thereafter she exits the home at 7:40 we are still talking a lapse of a few more mins between the time the neighbor and/or neighbor's son hear the scream and decide to call Karen at work.. That call still at the very earliest is not going to be made before 7:45am and likely even a few minutes later..

    Also, what we know per Karen is that she did not speak directly with the neighbor but rather that she was in the cafeteria when someone who'd taken the call came and found Karen in the cafeteria and relayed the msg to her that her neighbor had called the school to say she heard scream(s) coming from the direction of the Bobo's home.. Think about this.. There still in going with Karen was leaving as soon as she got the neighbor's msg it still could not be humanly possible that she left that elementary school until ATLEAST 7:50am!!

    Holly exits at 7:40
    Neighbor hears scream 7:40-7:45
    Neighbor calls school 7:45
    Msg is taken from neighbor and someone seeks out and finds Karen in cafeteria to relay the neighbor's msg 7:50

    And those times are being extremely generous because it is likely that there easily could have been several more minutes in between any and all of those events occurring..

    Again no matter how it is sliced it cannot have Karen Bobo at the Bobo residence prior to 8am??? And LE states that Karen was present at the Bobo residence when they arrived a few minutes before 8am.. How is this humanly possible when the travel time is 27 minutes from school to the home??? Again no matter is Mario Andretti is behind the wheel given the times we know combined with the events that we know there isn't a way that it's humanly possible that Karen Bobo was at home on Swan Johnson Road a few minutes before 8am..

    Aarrgghhh!!! Banging my head hard at this point!!!!!
     
  15. goldiegirl

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    SmoothOperator, those are some very good points about the timeline. Never thought about that before....
     
  16. NCSleuth

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    Smoothoperator,
    I have always thought the same thing, how in the world did KB get home before 8:00 am. I don't think we are getting all the details so I just assumed the times we were given were not accurate. I assumed LE had checked into such a simple detail as that and we just don't have the actual story.

    Until we are given more information, this story is not going to make sense.
     
  17. Frogzilla

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    The timeline and sequence of events has never been directly stated or clarified. I remember early on in the investigation the head of the TBI said that there would not be any release of a timeline. When the Bobo family started to speak out for themselves there was not a timeline or clear sequence of events given. It is all very jumbled to say the least. I think it is safe to assume HB left her house around 7:30AM and police were dispatched to the home no later than 8AM.
    IMO this case is deliberately murky and to what end it serves has yet to be seen. In looking back to older MSM articles, the apparent disconnect between this family has LE has possibly been there since the very beginning. There are many conflicting statements that have been made over time and I know I am not the only one who sees that. I am going to throw some quotes out there that have stuck with me as a reminder to others.

    “At approximately 7:30 [a.m.] this date we received a call on Swan Johnson Road of a young lady there that had been abducted supposedly,” Sheriff Wyatt said.
    When asked who saw Holly being abducted Sheriff Wyatt said, “It was a neighbor that lives just up the road there from the house. She didn’t see it but heard the screams of the young lady as she was leaving the house.” -- Later MSM articles state her son heard the scream(s)
    Asked how many personnel he thought they had out there that first day, Sheriff Wyatt said, “I’d be afraid to guess. I’d say probably a 100 plus law enforcement people.”
    Asked how disturbing this was to his community he said, “Very, in a small rural area that we live in. We would never dream anything like this would happen. But it has and I guess that maybe big city things are coming to rural areas anymore. It’s very disturbing to our community. It’s very disturbing to us as law enforcement." --HB is not the only person to disappear in that area in recent years
    On Thursday police announced they no longer believed Holly was abducted during a home invasion. John Mayer, spokesman for the TBI told ABCNews.com that “the suspect was never inside.”-- CB has stated that two people were in the garage and blood was also found there
    "He actually had an arm holding her, so we feel she knew she was in fear of her life, so she was compliant with his commands," said John Mehr with the TBI. -- CB says they walked side by side and that he later learned she must of been threatened (very confusing)
    Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt said Clint Bobo was the only one at home with Holly Bobo.
    "This is according to her brother that he had seen her being led into the woods," said Wyatt.
    Clint Bobo thought the man he saw wearing camouflage and walking toward the woods with his sister was her boyfriend. Investigators were initially not clear about how long it took her brother to realize something was wrong, but Wyatt said it did not take long.
    "A very, very short time," said Wyatt.
    Wyatt said Clint Bobo called his mother first. She then called 911. Soon after, people were searching the wooded area around the Bobo family's house.
    Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt told the newspaper the item was found after authorities received a phone call tip about it.-- Easter Sunday find
    "The person responsible for Holly's disappearance lives in the area," Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, said. "Because of the terrain, you have to know where you're going, entrances and exits. We feel the person is in the community. We're asking the community if you know someone who has changed their routine, please let us know."
    Gwyn said Bobo may have been spirited away from the immediate area but investigators believe she is still in the state. -- If they believed she was still in the state then, did they have a suspect that never left the area? Why even make this type of statement? They must of had a GOOD reason to look at somebody really hard. What happened? Very confusing.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...nt-for-missing-Tenn-woman/UPI-72981303702724/
    http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-abduction-week-review
    http://www.wmctv.com/story/15037152/three-months-later-what-happened-to-holly-bobo
     
  18. Plumeria5

    Plumeria5 Well-Known Member

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    "Neighbor lives just up the road" To me when I hear up the road I think north.
    How far away is the neighbor to the north? Off to Google map.
     
  19. Plumeria5

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    Well, I don't see any close neighbors to the north at all. It has to be the south neighbor I guess but why say "up the road?"
     
  20. Dewey2Me1MoThyme

    Dewey2Me1MoThyme Have clue will sleuth!

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    Has Clint ever been interrogated with or without his parents present? Everything seems to hinge off him, and yet the parents (it would appear) have shielded him from the media.
     
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