TN - Joann, 31, & Adrienne Bain, 14, Whiteville, 27 April 2012 - #5

[pcrum12]

I understand it is your opinion but the part about older men marrying younger women deeply offends me. My father was 26 years older than my mother, he fell in love as did she, there was nothing dirty or seedy about it! As has been the same with many of my friends parents and current relationships. I don't think making sweeping statements like that is at all helpful or even relevant really to whether he's fit to parent. That's my opinion anyway.

O/T: A wise old woman (my Grandmother) once told me, "I'd rather be an old man's darlin' than a young man's slave any day." LOL.

 

[Eileen730]

Found this i dont know if it was posted already!


http://www.wmctv.com/story/18326765/alpine-neighbor-believes-mayes-may-have-been-hiding-next-door










!http://www.wmctv.com/story/18309991/kidnap-slaying-suspect-kills-himself-2-girls-ok

 

[winterrose]

When ws the last time she saw her sister?
I thought i read it was years and years!

If it been that long how would they know what she was like now?

Booth said two different things, first she said when AM and TM got married eleven years ago, he forbid them from talking. Then more recently she's saying she talked to her anyway.

 

[FrayedKnot]

LOL I know that

I was talking about the opposite end of the special ed program!

sorry if i offended you!

Not at all! Lol

I only meant that Special Ed is not necessarily an indication that TM is mentally retarded as her family claims.



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[Ladylub]

When one looks at the fact that AM was married to TM who's own sister claims she has the mind of a 10 year old you might begin to understand that we aren't talking about a man who is normal. No disrespect meant towards those who are mentally challenged, but normal guys don't marry women who have the minds of ten year old. I don't think AM was playing with a full deck. I personally think he had some deep seeded mental issues. I'm just grateful these littleone came home safe. Thank the Lord for that!

I have to wonder if she has the mind of a 10 yr old why did her mother allow this to happen. Why didn't she do everything in her power to prove her daughter has the mental capacity of a 10 yr old proving she can not make big decisions herself.

 

[Quester]

Trauma experts help question girls in U.S. murder, abduction case

Child trauma specialists are helping investigators interview two girls about being seized ...

Investigators believe the girls had been out in the woods since April 30 or May 1.

The area where they were held in Mississippi is remote, heavily wooded and a prime hunting ground. ...

"It had been raining, it was just miserable conditions. They had no shelter. ... . To my knowledge, they had no change of clothes, they had no shelter. Basically, they were just hiding out."

Mayes had brought a backpack of food and water, but supplies ran out about three days before they were rescued. ...

Agents immediately shared with them the water and snacks they were carrying with them. ...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-mississippibodiesl1e8gc1f6-20120512,0,4126473.story?page=1

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ya know i was thinking!
What if he didnt kill them?

What if TM killed them...She is the only one there with him and if she did it Im sure she would pin the blame on him... Just a thought peeps.
Hes dead he cant tell!
They all say how controlling he was what if its the other way around
Mom and wifey a tag team telling him what to do!

Just saying!!!!! It just came to my mind!


I guess we have to wait and see what the girls say...
Wouldnt that be a real kicker!!!!!!

That is always a possibility. As per a far fetched scenario I wrote a while back, it could have been that AM ran with the girls trying to keep them from TM. Then you could go with the theory that he went to the church because it would be a safe place to leave the girls and had the girls lay face down on the ground because he knew he was going to shoot himself and didn't want them to see that. Just an "out there" possibility.

I have to wonder if the relatives on the "AM was so controlling, a horrible person" bandwagon might just be saying those things to make themselves look better, too. A way to distance themselves from the situation. There are lots of different scenarios out there, some far more likely than others.

Still waiting patiently for answers, though.....

 

[epiphany]

Twelve-year-old Alexandria Bain and 8-year-old Kyliyah sat up, subdued, within reach of Mayes' body. Crawford said they didn't cry, instead looking almost relieved.

"Now we can go home," Lt. Lee Ellington heard the older girl tell her little sister.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-12/kidnapped-sisters-adam-mayes/54920464/1

 

[Ghostwheel]

....

Even if she did, a ten year old would have enough sense to not stand and watch two people being violently strangled to death and do nothing.

I respectfully disagree. Age and sense have nothing to do with whether a person has the ability to act, rather than freeze, in an emergency situation. Even then, the action any person takes could be to run away and hide, not stop the horror before them or call the police.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Trauma experts help question girls in U.S. murder, abduction case

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-mississippibodiesl1e8gc1f6-20120512,0,4126473.story?page=1

From the article:

They were with their father, Gary Bain, on Saturday at their home in Whiteville,Tennessee.

"Their home is not a crime scene - it is their home and the
girls are with him.

That's odd.

A) Who would want to go back to that house?
B) If the garage is where JB and AB were killed, that portion would be a crime scene. Again, who would want to be in a house with a crime scene in the yard?
C) If the garage is not the crime scene, where was?

 

[impatientredhead]

Really? I agree that what you mentioned would be important, but I would think they would wait a few days. I also don't think they were heavily interrogated last night. I just think the proper procedure would be to not do anything that would add to their stress. There is time for all of that later.

This case was one of the most wanted manhunts with the best available resources assigned to it. The girls most assuredly have the best care available to them and an advocate to minimize any stress to them.

The specialists that work with children in the emergency and trauma facilities have a different skill set than your local urgent care. With a trained advocate to hold their hand and make sure they know they are safe and medical staff that can maximize the balance of medical intervention and minimized stress I think we might be surprised what they can achieve without traumatizing the victim.

You can start antibiotic treatments to minimize any STD issues (and if they have been drinking stream water that is probably needed anyway) without a test. If there is indication that there is physical trauma and an exam is medically necessary they can do that in a way that not terrifying, from the advocate/family present, to sedation if necessary.

In my experience with a friend that was raped and required medical intervention they brought in staff that dealt with sexual assualts specifically. The focus of their presentation was that she, the victim, was in control of what was happening to her, and then the continued and repeated presentation of what they needed to do and what different options were available to her to make it possible to get the exam (rape kit) and medical intervention going.

It took a few times, some baby steps, and in the end some mild anxiety type medication that they were able to give her once they were far enough along in verifying her medical stability. They were great though and got all the evidence that was available, explained why everything could and should be done, and made clear at every level that it was up to her whether that evidence was collected (and to the degree appropriate what not collecting it could mean). Clearly a lot of their training focused around adapting to the victim and the situation which would vary wildly from case to case.

 

[Quester]

From the article:

That's odd.

A) Who would want to go back to that house?
B) If the garage is where JB and AB were killed, that portion would be a crime scene. Again, who would want to be in a house with a crime scene in the yard?
C) If the garage is not the crime scene, where was?

When I read that portion of the article, I hoped that meant the girls did not see their mother and sister killed in the garage or wherever and that they would not associate the home with the crime scene. Their time there may also be very limited if they carry on with their plans to move to AZ.

My heart breaks for these two young girls and the further and lifelong trauma ahead in their new reality without their Mom and sister. Senseless crime against two precious girls, their family, their community and all of our communities.

 

[impatientredhead]

From the article:

That's odd.

A) Who would want to go back to that house?
B) If the garage is where JB and AB were killed, that portion would be a crime scene. Again, who would want to be in a house with a crime scene in the yard?
C) If the garage is not the crime scene, where was?

Many people need to go back for closure, for a sense of normalcy, for a reality check. There is no one size fits all, and some people can never step foot into the place where they lost a loved one, but I don't think it is unusual for them to have a chance to be in their own beds, to see their moms belongings the way they were. The deaths are probably very surreal for them, with some guidance/counseling available, it may be very important for them to go home and process what happened. Say their goodbyes etc...

When and if it is too stressful for them to be there they can always leave. Forcing them to go from captivity to a "new home" could continue to make them feel out of control and like their lives are being dictated to them. MOO

 

[strawberry]

I was wrong, I deleted my post. What I read was this - tm spent her school life in special education. I thought it said she had a degree in special education. Clearly I am wrong and I apologize. :banghead:

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/05/09/3191124/kidnap-slaying-suspect-wife-charged.html#storylink=cpy

O/T I see you're linking Centre Daily Times. Was that random or are you from Nittany Valley? Just wondering. :innocent:

 

[winterrose]

I respectfully disagree. Age and sense have nothing to do with whether a person has the ability to act, rather than freeze, in an emergency situation. Even then, the action any person takes could be to run away and hide, not stop the horror before them or call the police.

But yet she helped plan this for two or three months ahead of the murders and kidnappings. She's been charged with two counts of murders, not an accomplice to the murders. So I don't think this was a big surprise to her, as the plan was to kidnap the younger girls and JB and AB were taken to the garage to be murdered, but we'll see.

 

[susan1122]

I think that AM counted on help/support from his Mom and wife. And I think that is the major problem, I think that is where he knew it wasn't going to work. I do wonder how long before he knew they were arrested and if at any point he began to wonder if they deserted him. I hope so.

This is a really good point. His source of food and water disappeared. Smart thinking, IMO.

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

I have some catching up to do since yesterday, but wanted to share some information I received today from a relative who lived in Hardeman County, TN. She now lives just over the state line in Mississippi, so right smack in the middle of all the goings on.

This is just the word around town, so if not allowed, someone please bop me over the head and get my attention. :angel:

1. TM is mentally retarded and the Mayes family used her as caregiver for JM,sr.

The emphasis was that TM was somewhat of a slave for the family. I'm assuming that JM, sr is in some way disabled. This would explain MFM's concern in jail over JM,sr's care, the LE saying he was in New Albany (taken to hospital after arrests?), JM,jr coming forward after no contact for years to care for him, and also AM making it well known to neighbors that he and TM slept in different beds.


2. AM had several, if not more, reported incidents of inappropriate contact with children in Hardeman County.

I was told this was the reason the family moved to Mississippi. I'm clueless, but more experienced sleuths might be able to find documentation of this in Hardeman County. I'm betting the Bains were living in Arizona when this happened and were unaware.


3. Many people in the area where the Mayes lived do not even have TV, much less an internet connection.

Many were unaware of what was going on!


4. AM showed up at a farmer's house one night wanting to buy his car.

The farmer refused. He did not know AM or know anything about what was going on.


5. Another person reported that someone was attempting to steal their car.

(car mechanic hot-wiring car?)


6. There are three individuals who separately gave tips that kept leading LE back to the church.

Supposedly, the reward will be split three ways. One person is affiliated with the church and reported items out of place or being moved around, etc.


7. I asked her opinion on why two seemingly good parents allowed their children to spend time alone with AM.

She could only say that she felt they did not know who he really was.



At this point, my own opinion is that AM was a pedophile with sociopathic tendencies.

JMHO

 

[Ghostwheel]

But yet she helped plan this for two or three months ahead of the murders and kidnappings. She's been charged with two counts of murders, not an accomplice to the murders. So I don't think this was a big surprise to her, as the plan was to kidnap the younger girls and JB and AB were taken to the garage to be murdered, but we'll see.

So then think about it. What mentally capable adult would admit in a non-custodial interview she watched a murder when she would then be charged with the murder? Wouldn't a mentally capable adult have asked for an attorney before incriminating themselves?

Do you have a link to where it says TM planned this for two or three months? I missed that.

BTW, Mississippi law states that:
(2) The killing of a human being without the authority of law by any means or in any manner shall be capital murder in the following cases:

(e) When done with or without any design to effect death, by any person engaged in the commission of the crime of rape, burglary, kidnapping, arson, robbery, sexual battery, unnatural intercourse with any child under the age of twelve (12), or nonconsensual unnatural intercourse with mankind, or in any attempt to commit such felonies;

http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/97/003/0019.htm

BBM
Please note that it is by any person engaged in kidnapping, so even if she had not been anywhere near JB or AB, or had no knowledge of the murders, she would still be charged with murder if she admitted to being part of the kidnapping.

I am not saying she did not witness the murder, only that by MS law, if she was involved in a kidnapping and a killing occurred, she would have to be charged with murder.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I have some catching up to do since yesterday, but wanted to share some information I received today from a relative who lived in Hardeman County, TN. She now lives just over the state line in Mississippi, so right smack in the middle of all the goings on.

This is just the word around town, so if this is not allowed, someone please bop me over the head and get my attention. :angel:

1. TM is mentally retarded and the Mayes family used her to be the caregiver for JM,sr, who must be disabled.

The emphasis was that she was somewhat of a slave for the family. This would explain MFM's concern in jail over JM,sr's care, the LE saying he was in New Albany (taken to hospital after arrests?), JM,jr coming forward after no contact for years to care for him, and also AM making it well known to neighbors that he and TM slept in different beds.


2. AM had several, if not more, reported incidents of inappropriate contact with children in Hardeman County.

I was told this was the reason the family moved to Mississippi. I'm clueless, but more experienced sleuths might be able to find documentation of this in Hardeman County. I'm betting the Bains were living in Arizona when this happened and were unaware.


3. Many people in the area where the Mayes lived do not even have TV, much less an internet connection. Many were unaware of what was going on!


4. AM showed up at a farmer's house one night wanting to buy his car.

The farmer refused. He did not know AM or know anything about what was going on, though.


5. Another person reported that someone was attempting to steal their car.

(car mechanic hot-wiring car?)


6. There are three individuals who separately gave tips that kept leading LE back to the church.

I believe they have decided to split the reward three ways. One is someone affiliated with the church who reporting items out of place and being moved around, etc.


7. I did ask her opinion on why two seemingly good parents allowed their children to spend time alone with AM.

She could only say that she felt they did not know who he really was.



At this point, my own opinion is that AM was a pedophile with sociopathic tendencies.

JMHO

Great post, and I am not sure, but I *think* that if you preface by saying it is rumor, then it is okay to post rumors.

Maybe you have to be a verified local? IDK, I am on stinky Tapatalk so I can't see some things that can be seem on the website.


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[jjenny]

So then think about it. What mentally capable adult would admit in a non-custodial interview she watched a murder when she would then be charged with the murder? Wouldn't a mentally capable adult have asked for an attorney before incriminating themselves?

...

Really? We have a board full of threads, and quite a few with people confessing to all kinds of horrible things. Confessing doesn't make someone mentally incompetent.