Found Safe TN - MCET, 15, Abducted by Teacher, in Maury County, 13 March 2017 #18 *ARREST*

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  1. The Pinkest Lady

    The Pinkest Lady New Member

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    Just because he said so....isn't enough for me to be relieved. Look at everything else he's lied about.

    Someone I know IRL got mixed up in a "relationship" with a guy who reminds me of TC.

    She was an adult but he was twice her age, already married, controlling and manipulative. He also said he had a vasectomy. But the abortion she got after several months of him using her proved this was just another one of his bogus stories. He'd lie about ANYTHING to get what he wanted.


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  2. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    I love it, too.
     
  3. bestill

    bestill It's a Disney Day for SC Inmate 00378074

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    Scanned through the new info. I don't for a minute think TC wanted to come home, he's said that to his wife because he hoped he could get back in the families good graces. I do believe that ET thinks she's in love with him. I think she will try to contact him at some point too. TC knew he was in deep doo, that's why he and ET planned to deny the sex. I'm not sure he wasn't already having sex with her before they left. I hope it's true that he had a vasectomy! Would love to know how many and if any of the Cialis pills were left. If they did indeed have sex most nights - I'm sure that's even more hurtful to his wife, he only had a half dozen pills. So I guess ET cured his ED...sicko, old middle aged man taking advantage of his position and a young teen's vulnerability and years of being abused.
     
  4. JaimeSommers

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    Did he miss them when he was doing a test run to Mexico? Did he miss them when he was having sex almost every night with a 15-year-old? Did he miss them when, at the time when he thought he had been identified earlier in their travels, he could have surrendered but didn't?

    Screw this s**tbird. For real.

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  5. Bently

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    As to Cialis pills, and the guns, and the IPad etc... I have not seen the search warrant return as to those being found in the car. The return for the cabin did not include many items that I would have expected. I think that many items were in the trunk as not in the return for the cabin nor in the photo of the cabin interior.
     
  6. Bently

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    Oops, my post got cut in half when posted...

    Anyway..

    When they went in the kayak... what did they take and what did they leave behind. It may never be answered, but I'm wondering. Was the tablet taken, guns, pills, clothes etc. ..

    I wonder what they took and what they left behind when they went on the kayak trip.

    (I am now assuming they both indeed did attempt based on latest info - do you agree?)

    And where was the Rouge left when they went rogue from San Diego?
     
  7. Bently

    Bently Former Member

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    Can someone repost the link where it was stated that he said they agreed that they would both deny that they had sex please.

    I haven't seen in the LE papers, and cannot find that link for such.
    TIA
     
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  9. Milenalee

    Milenalee Active Member

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    It was only a test. Don't think they had anything with them.


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  10. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Such a poignant post. You really bring home the crux and magnitude of the case. So tragic for this kid. To be so vulnerable and hopeful. Just wishing she could have someone to love her and giver her attention. And this is what she got instead.

    I agree. I think that's a strong possibility. How did he intend to end it? He knew he lacked the resources to survive long and he's fairly unskilled so how could he survive in Mexico or anywhere else?

    Perhaps his plan was to kayak out as far as he could, shoot her and toss her body. Then kayak back. I don't know.

    Many cubans have no indigenous or African heritage of any kind. So yeah. Many are Caucasian.

    As to Mexicans, in the states people are used to Mexicans being darker people of native descent. The fact of the matter is there are many Mexicans who are also very "white" looking. Besides Spain, Mexico had a ton of immigrants who are Arabic, French and German. Among others. Louis CK is Mexican. Born there and raised until age 7. Watch any Mexican variety show or talk show or telenovela and you will see a large amount of Caucasian people.

    I am married to one.

    But Mexico, unlike most nations south of the border, never really shook their 16th-18th century racial caste system that the Spanish brought. From the beginning, as they began to mix with the indigenous population, Spaniards classified people based on how much European blood they had. Families were classified this way and given higher status depending on the amount of European blood.


    That was the case in all the Latin American colonies but all the other nations seemed to have been able to shake off that antiqued racial division as their own distinct and proud national identities emerged.


    For some reason, that's not the case as much in Mexico, from what I've seen. So immigrants here used to always say they were "Spanish" instead of Mexican. (That's changed since the 90's started I think), and the most indigenous looking person will often say "Mi abuelita es de EspaƱa".


    All the upper class people in Mexico, the celebrities- actors, tv people and many musicians - are very white.


    We are just used to seeing more of the poorer people who immigrate here.


    I'm at the beach a lot. I see them along with paddle boarders in the calm bay in Laguna, the Back Bay at Newport and the channels in Newport/Balboa, Long Beach, San Diego. All calm areas. Not really much in terms of waves to speak of.


    I've never seen one in open water with waves like in the videos.


    I think we can lay to rest the delusion TC may have had that kayaking to Mexico was an option. Just going in a tiny bit prompted LE to go after them and issue a warning.


    Because it's obvious these two aren't the highly athletic extreme sports aficionados such as the ones on the video Kaaboom posted that could dare to contemplate a feat like that.


    Eww.



     
  11. gitana1

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    Agreed.

    Actual reports from her family - specifically her brother- is that they were told not to hug her because she is so traumatized she cannot handle being physically touched at the moment.



    I have little doubts that this confused kid who was so desperate for love and attention and longed so much to be accepted and adored, found something powerful that addressed a deep psychological need, in TC's grooming of her.


    I mean predators are good at this. They know which kids are hungry for love. They know which ones are neglected and sad. Those are the ones they hone in on for a reason and those are the ones less likely to speak up even while enduring years of abuse. Because with that abuse comes satisfaction of the need to be cared for.


    So no doubt poor ET is feeling bereft because she found something with this predator that she likely never had and always wanted. Total concentration, praise, and focus as the only one that matters. Can you imagine how profound that would be for any teen? Especially one from a large family? Especially one who has not had much love or care in their lives?

    But along with the attention that must have felt like water to a parched, dying plant, came something else: Sexual abuse. Manipulation. Coercion. Control. She had to endure the ultimate betrayal by the one person she had come to depend on for satisfaction of her psychological needs. This kid, who ultimately was after something basic and pure and innocent, got something else with the bargain that no sane young teen would want- sexual contact with a pot-bellied grandpa.


    So, while she was getting the caring and focus she had likely craved since childhood, and thus probably was drawn to like an addiction, another part of her detected the betrayal and the poison of it. Which is why she sometimes hid from him or why she told her sister to call the police at 6. And now, she may be withdrawing (like from drugs) from the heady attention she received but at the same time is recovering from the betrayal that was the sexual abuse.


    And yes it was abuse. ET is no different from a heterosexual teen boy groomed by a pederast who sexually abuses and exploits his prey. Those kids likewise don't tell. And they endure sexual contact that they aren't really into. They don't run when they can. They even keep going back to the predator's house or agree to continue going "camping" or on other trips as the coach, instructor, pastor, priest, neighbor or family friend takes them places, inundates them with presents and time and "fun", all the while raping them or photographing them, etc.


    People wonder how that happens. It's the same thing here really.


    And those kids aren't any less of a victim than the ones who are forcibly or violently assaulted. Different degrees of abuse but still abuse.


    So it's complex and her behavior as she recovers will be complex as well.


    I wish we could all understand that instead of seeing the complexity of it as complicity. As evidence that she isn't really a victim. That she somehow "asked for it" and thus is leas deserving of our empathy.


    The insinuations are offensive.
     
  12. Wyle_E_Coyote

    Wyle_E_Coyote Northern Virginia

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    can you relink that wyle e? it's not working for the rabbit...TIA!
     
  14. Bently

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    :thinking: where wsmv got that information.

    The legal documents that are available to press and others have been reviewed by folks here at WS from https://www.pacer.gov/pcl.html. And this article is stating as if they are privy to having this first hand.

    I wonder where WSMV got this media tidbit from that he initially told investigators, then changed his mind. And the information that they had made a pact.

    I'm shocked if it was released unauthorized, but that is what this station is making it appear to be.

    Have we seen this in any other article as the way it is stated, it's not like it's from his sister... but from a legal document.
     
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    Beautifully said and well explained. I think it might be even harder to recover from the rape that comes after a wooing mind-control than one from a stranger who has a gun to your head. Easier to feel guilty for being complicit, and blaming oneself is so common when you've been raped.

    If anyone on here knows the family or therapists working with ET I hope they know about a relatively new technique called EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing). It works well with trauma, amazingly well. You carefully revisit the worst moments with a therapist while watching a light move from left to right. The process somehow puts the memory into the past as a normal memory, no longer a trauma. I thought I was recovered 17 years after a violent experience with car jacking and rape in Africa, but my GP saw signs of PTSD (scanning the room, jumping at sound). I spent two months doing EMDR with a skilled psychologist and it was a super tough process but it really worked! Here they describe using hands instead of the light bar. I wouldn't like hands in my face. It works with sound going left to right ears too. I used headphones sometimes too.

    http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/emdr-what-is-it#1




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    I think it's from what was said in court yesterday. People took notes. I'm don't think Chelsea said this but she might have. Or you can ask her on Facebook if it was discussed.
    https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaBrentzelNews/


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  18. gitana1

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    From everything I've researched TN law does not allow kids to decide to leave their families. That's false. It stems from a political statement issued by an elected official who wants to show he's doing something to protect the community by being tough on crime and advocating tougher laws.

    The statement seems to be anchored by a law that makes kidnapping a more serious crime if the victim is under age 13. That's it.

    https://kidnapping.uslegal.com/state-kidnapping-abduction-laws/tennessee-kidnappingabduction-laws/

    Either way, it appears that TN law doesn't call it kidnapping, defined by false imrpisonment, if not accomplished by fraud, force, or coercion. Regardless of age.

    But in fact, parents still have the right of custody and control over teenage children under the age of 18. And, harboring a runaway is a misdemeanor in Tennessee. So even if a kid over the age of 13 wanted to run off with an unrelated adult, the parents could stop that. And the child has no right to do so. If an unrelated adult was to house or help or hide a minor who doesn't have the permission of his or her parents to leave home, that is a crime.

    I have found absolutely nothing in TN law, the actual codes, to indicate otherwise. It is a fallacy.
     
  19. blue22

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    I'm not often known to be brief. I have my moments. (In this case, my son fell and was clearly dying a slow, horrible death, and I had to be succinct so I could give him a star wars band-aid. LOL.)
     
  20. bestill

    bestill It's a Disney Day for SC Inmate 00378074

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    Happy Mother's Day to ya!
     
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