TN - RV Explosion, Nashville, 25 Dec 2020

[imstilla.grandma]

Beci Elam with FBI Victims Services Division told reporters Tuesday night that over 200 needs assessments have been performed for those affected by the bombing.

It's not clear how many people were displaced by the explosion and how many businesses were affected, Elam said, but most of the assessments have been for business owners.

The division responds to situations like what unfolded in Nashville on Christmas and works to connect victims to services they need. The FBI specialists have helped some residents get access to new passports, IDs and medications they left behind after the explosion.

The FBI was working with the city to create a list of resources available to them locally.
Nashville bombing updates: Latest on Anthony Warner and downtown blast

Eta: Fact check: Photo does not show Nashville blast suspect wearing a Trump hat

 

[chaz]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshBreslowWKRN/status/1344268194836582400
'Investigators have just released audio of some of the calls made to 911 the morning of the Nashville bombing showing the chaos, confusion and panic as gunshots were fired, an evacuation message played and the RV exploded'.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I think it is the girlfriend that alleged he was making bombs, not the attorney. The attorney refused to let the police do any searching. I'm not sure that the word of a mentally unstable (she was aken away by ambulance to the psych unit) would be enough probably cause for most judges. BUT I would think the mere presence of guns for a convicted felon would be enough to search his house. But since the police apparently did not even do a records check...here we are. Or perhaps they did and nothing came up because it was a very old offense.

ETA: the police report actually says the attorney said he talked frequently about military and bombmaking. So I guess the attorney may have been trying to help without violating any attorney-client rules. Talking about bomb making is not illegal so he would not be disclosing any crimes by his client. And if he got the info from the gf then it would not be privledged as far as I know. But he gave the cops enough that, in hindsight, had they tried harder, AQW may have been stopped.

I missed that the girlfriend was taken by ambulance to a psych unit, can someone repost such MSM link. Thanks.

ETA: Oh, was just posted recently.. sorry I was 15 hours behind on threads and just needed to catch up as was posted again.

Nashville police records reveal previous complaint of Anthony Warner making bombs in RV | KGET 17

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I missed that the girlfriend was taken by ambulance to a psych unit, can someone repost such MSM link. Thanks.

When officers arrived at Perry’s house, they found her on the porch with two pistols next to her that were not loaded. Officers said Perry told them the guns belonged to her boyfriend, ‘Tony’ Warner, and she did not want them at her house any longer. After speaking with the Mobile Crisis services over the phone, Perry was voluntarily taken by an ambulance for a psychological evaluation.
Nashville police records reveal previous complaint of Anthony Warner making bombs in RV | WPRI.com

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Wow! This reinforces my personal policy to NEVER give a verbal statement to police! I'm not saying the police version is the wrong one but there is a major discrepancy between what the police claim and what the lawyer says happened. A proper paper trail would be extremely valuable at this point. They can't miscontrue a written statement that is copied widely.

If Throckmorton would have simply said "I will not answer verbal questions but I will answer emails or written questions" we'd have a much better idea what was actually said.

And frankly, if Throckmorton had said what the cops claim and they would be willing to swear it before a judge, they would have had their probable cause! That alone makes me question their version.

Since following here at WS, I have learned (and would think that a lawyer would know) is to get a case number, and then obtain the written report from the PD to see if it was accurate.

Heck, I have done that for a traffic accident I had to see what was stated. I can't imagine giving info that resulted in a police report and not getting it for my records, although I'm one to do such and know that is not the norm for most (although for WS'ers, may be much higher)

Same with a deposition. I would demand a transcript to sign off on if allowed. I've seen done in some cases, but not others.

Lawyers here can chime in. Can such a demand be made by someone as I thought?

 

[indicolite22]

I'm surprised that the girlfriend that reported AQW to police for bomb making wasn't afraid of retaliation. Also, strange how he could repeatedly evade the police by simply not answering the door.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

These was my thoughts also. Brother knows he is dying so wants his house left to his daughter. The daughter then gives it to his mother. Her grandmother. Then when AQW decides to end it he gives his niece his house. MOO

Technically that's possible. But why did AQW quit claim his brother's house to himself first instead of directly to his niece? Did he not know she existed? In that case why not quit claim to his mother, who would have inherited the property?

The niece theory would become less likely if the lady in question already had a father and older siblings.

Reminds me of another song from those days (?5 years later) of Petulia Clark. "Dizzy, by Tommy Roe"

Which of these were by will, and which were by quit claim.

Wills can be exempt from gift taxes, but these transfers all should have incurred such if quit claims vs. passing through probate/intestate which would not have taxes?

I've been hung up on this from the beginning as makes no sense to me why do a quick claim vs. letting it go through after someone dies and the estate nor grantee would have to pay taxes. Whereby, a quit claim has tax implications big time MOO

I'm confused... I'm so dizzy, my head is spinnin'

I think I need hand holding to explain this timing and transfers as I am rereading but yet not understanding and some information seems to be in opposition.

If anyone can do.. TIA

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This was not a simple case of the police just ignoring the report AQW was making bombs.

1) They went and talked to the girlfriend that reported it.
2) They went to AQW’s house and knocked on the door. He didn’t answer. They observed the RV in the backyard with wires hanging out and a multitude of security cameras and alarms around it.
3) They contacted a lawyer who knew AQW. Lawyer said AQW was capable of making bombs.
4) The police had FBI check their files on AQW. They had nothing.
5) The police had ATF check their files on AQW. They had nothing.
6) The police contacted the lawyer again about getting AQW to let them search the RV. The lawyer told them AQW didn’t like the police and would probably never consent to a search.
7) The police drop the whole inquiry.
8) AQW blows up a good piece of downtown Nashville.

So LE, unlike a lot of other cases we’ve talked about, stayed on this case fairly well. Where they dropped the ball was they didn’t get a search warrant to check out the RV. Not searching the RV simply because the subject doesn’t want you to, seems ridiculous. Of course he doesn’t want you to, but I would argue LE had probable cause...the girlfriend’s statement, the lawyer’s statement, and the observed wires etc coming from the RV.
So many times we hear about LE ignoring reports about people that end up doing these awful things. I’d like to hear some reports on how many times somebody’s report to LE has thwarted a major crime before it happened.

 

[indicolite22]

Why the Nashville bomber warned people to evacuate

From the article:

Warnings make political sense: Terrorists trying to persuade civilians and garner local support for their cause cannot afford to look mindlessly bloody. They give warnings to allow civilians a way out, making themselves look more reasonable and legitimate in the public eye.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Special operations personnel with the Nashville Fire Department are also accompanying business and property owners as they return to the blast site to collect their belongings. Nashville’s Office of Emergency Management is providing tarps, plywood, 2x4s, and other supplies to businesses who need help securing their properties at 1st Avenue and Broadway.
Investigators: 'Highly likely' FBI will wrap up Nashville bombing crime scene Wednesday

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Why the Nashville bomber warned people to evacuate

From the article:

Warnings make political sense: Terrorists trying to persuade civilians and garner local support for their cause cannot afford to look mindlessly bloody. They give warnings to allow civilians a way out, making themselves look more reasonable and legitimate in the public eye.

Thanks and from your link:
Terrorists are not always trying to hurt or kill the largest number of people. Terrorist groups often limit their impact on civilians by alerting them before attacks.

Terrorists who want civilian support, rallying them to a cause or soliciting their material help, must tend their image with those civilians, working to appear as the representatives of a legitimate cause.

 

[Alethea]

Reminds me of another song from those days (?5 years later) of Petulia Clark. "Dizzy, by Tommy Roe"

Which of these were by will, and which were by quit claim.

Wills can be exempt from gift taxes, but these transfers all should have incurred such if quit claims vs. passing through probate/intestate which would not have taxes?

I've been hung up on this from the beginning as makes no sense to me why do a quick claim vs. letting it go through after someone dies and the estate nor grantee would have to pay taxes. Whereby, a quit claim has tax implications big time MOO

I'm confused... I'm so dizzy, my head is spinnin'

I think I need hand holding to explain this timing and transfers as I am rereading but yet not understanding and some information seems to be in opposition.

If anyone can do.. TIA

There are no automatic taxes with quitclaim deeds. You have to voluntarily go to the IRS and say "Hello IRS, I made a gift bigger than my yearly gift allowance." Most people don't do this.

In this case, the first transfer was done specifically to avoid probate because it was transferred to someone other than the person who would receive it in probate. That is why someone sued AQW over it.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshBreslowWKRN/status/1344268194836582400
'Investigators have just released audio of some of the calls made to 911 the morning of the Nashville bombing showing the chaos, confusion and panic as gunshots were fired, an evacuation message played and the RV exploded'.

MOO Must listen to MOO the audio at Link was just updated. 12:56 minutes of audio/video now vs. less than 2 minutes previously.. may add more in the next hour?

(from the tv station releasing all the 911 calls) long now as they released UPDATED VIDEO/AUDIO 2 minutes ago on the link about with more on their file. Whoa.... the first call about the gun shots.. wierd! Whoa. About 3 rounds of gunshots the caller said.

Another caller who was a woman at 5:20 am. She heard Gunshots. She heard 3 times and was 6 or 7 shots first. Then 30 minutes later, then more shots 20 minutes later. Then more shots again.

Chaos, confusion detailed in calls made to 911 before, after Nashville bombing | WKRN News 2

Oh my gosh, folks were saying they would look out the windows to see more in their 911 calls. Oh the anxiety of those that are calling..

The first officers we have seen with MSM arrived at later than 6 am.. although these calls were much earlier?

Reinforces to get folks first out of the facing apartments.

Much more now to add to a timeline, if someone here at WS is doing such.

Question: Why is WKRN showing residential cameras in suburbs during this feed?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Alethea]

This was not a simple case of the police just ignoring the report AQW was making bombs.

1) They went and talked to the girlfriend that reported it.
2) They went to AQW’s house and knocked on the door. He didn’t answer. They observed the RV in the backyard with wires hanging out and a multitude of security cameras and alarms around it.
3) They contacted a lawyer who knew AQW. Lawyer said AQW was capable of making bombs.
4) The police had FBI check their files on AQW. They had nothing.
5) The police had ATF check their files on AQW. They had nothing.
6) The police contacted the lawyer again about getting AQW to let them search the RV. The lawyer told them AQW didn’t like the police and would probably never consent to a search.
7) The police drop the whole inquiry.
8) AQW blows up a good piece of downtown Nashville.

So LE, unlike a lot of other cases we’ve talked about, stayed on this case fairly well. Where they dropped the ball was they didn’t get a search warrant to check out the RV. Not searching the RV simply because the subject doesn’t want you to, seems ridiculous. Of course he doesn’t want you to, but I would argue LE had probable cause...the girlfriend’s statement, the lawyer’s statement, and the observed wires etc coming from the RV.
So many times we hear about LE ignoring reports about people that end up doing these awful things. I’d like to hear some reports on how many times somebody’s report to LE has thwarted a major crime before it happened.

I agree completely. IMO the statement from the attorney that he was concerned about a former client, he believed his current client, and the former client was capable of making bombs was enough probable cause to get a search warrant. Look at some of the no-knock warrants routinely granted in drug cases. The bar isn't extremely high.

What I think happened is when they finally contacted AQW and asked for him to consent to a voluntary search, he said no "on the advice of counsel." My clients pull s&#* like that all the time. They do not last long as clients when they do this but people will say you said things you didn't say or say you are representing them when you aren't.

IMO if he said no to a voluntary search, you turn around and go to a judge and get a warrant.

In this specific case, if the attorney believed he was building bombs, there's an exemption to the attorney-client privilege called the "crime fraud exemption." You cannot help your client commit a crime and any communications related to it are not privileged so you can be called to testify about it.

The rules of ethics also permit an attorney to violate client confidences (and encourages them to do so) when it could stop a crime from occurring and prevent substantial harm to another person or property. It is a little tricky because the rules of ethics permit attorneys to report wrongdoing but they do not require it. So lawyers are not mandated reporters like teachers.

May vs. Must

Attorneys take confidentiality and privilege very seriously. You have to remember that an attorney's entire career depends on being admitted to the bar and being allowed to practice law. That can be taken away from you at any point by your state's disciplinary committee. So for an attorney to feel the need to report this to LE despite murky ethical waters makes me think LE should have taken this much more seriously than a complaint from a neighbor even.

 

[ilovewings]

I also am shocked that the FBI was informed and did nothing. Again...

Reminds me of 9/11-- At that time they had reports of questionable people taking flying lessons-- did nothing---

 

[ilovewings]

I work in the healthcare industry, so I'm familiar with HIPAA but not in the context of dead criminals and their rights. Now that AQW is deceased I feel the people of Nashville are entitled to know as much as possible about his motive, even if it includes medical records. JMO.

As far as I know, the medical record confidentiality does not expire when a person expires. For example, when investigating medical malpractice cases involving wrongful death, you cannot obtain medical records involving a deceased person- you must have a Personal Rep of the Estate named through the courts and that person can then obtain medical records. I don't know how this works in criminal cases.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes, that was the original 1:20 minute video/audio and they said they would add more.. they did

... there is now more that if you scroll up that is an update that has 12:56 minutes of audio. The shots fired calls from an hour before etc and moving forward in time.

Just updated on link in the last few minutes on the same link/site. They may be releasing more. As usual with cases, we see links and they update. This is the case here now. They may be releasing/uploading more? It's at 12:56 minutes now at 10:30 am eastern time that they have added since their first upload FYI

Chaos, confusion detailed in calls made to 911 before, after Nashville bombing | WKRN News 2

 

[shotgun09]

IMO, this act was Terrorism. The dude knowingly blows up a major Communication Hub in downtown Nashville. Thankfully, innocent lives were not lost. But the threat of terror was real...and felt across the nation.

He was also accused by his ex gf of making bombs in his RV up to a year before this incident. Police, FBI were notified. I remember years ago during the aftermath of yet another terrorist act, someone made the phrase " If you see something, say something!" She did! My heart hurts for this woman.

The Tsarnaev brothers were on a "watch list" for 12-18 months BEFORE the pressure cooker bombs killed and maimed innocents. WHO was supposed to be watching?

I understand the legal ramifications of going in and busting down doors making arrests without a justified warrant. But, why can't these suspected terrorists be "watched" a little closer? Surveillance, monitoring, investigating...?

The FBI sent 15 agents to investigate a "noose" ( garage pull)
last summer. One agent could have completed that investigation, while others could have been monitoring potential bomb -making terrorists.

IMO, the "see something say something" really means, " see something, run the other way"

 

[indicolite22]

Nashville bombing at AT&T building exposed area communications network

The bombing and the damage to the AT&T office was a "single-point of failure," said Douglas Schmidt, the Cornelius Vanderbilt professor of computer science at Vanderbilt University.

"Having a critical facility in a major metropolitan area next to a street without any other protections than a thick wall is crazy," Schmidt said.