The question I was raising was definitely broader than Carnies. Because I see the same questions pop up in all sorts of poverty situations - including urban which is definitely not carnie. that said - oof do I have my own personal websleuths worthy family drama? and oof did the parents meet as Carnies? Yes I do. Yes they did. my anecdote for anecdotal purposes only. As some of you who followed other cases with me know, I had a WS worthy case in my own extended family. So I have lived it firsthand. Even with my own family members I had to question everything. It is extremely difficult and often not clear cut. In my family experience, the order of CPS concerns started relatively minor but escalated quickly over a couple months. is it a slippery slope or comorbidity or is mine just an anecdote? Idk. But I’d say, if in doubt, report to CPS. My family’s case was: 1) teens/tweens smoking pot reported to CPS 2) upon inspection, house a mess, unsafe wiring, pet feces abounds, no sheets on beds, no drywall at places etc etc (still not removed, plan put in place) 3) years of horrible child abuse comes out (kids removed, parents charged) and yes the parents met as Carnies. Eek.