AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #27

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  1. hollye

    hollye Well-Known Member

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    Official Wells Family information website "Find Summer Wells"

    Media, Maps and Timeline - No Discussion Thread

    Poll: What do you feel happened to Summer Wells?

    Map Courtesy of @skibaboo : Summer Wells, Rogersville TN June 15th 2021 - Google My Maps

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    The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has issued an endangered child alert for a missing 5-year-old from Hawkins County.

    Summer Wells is 5 years old and not 4 as was previously reported.

    Emergency crews are searching for Summer Wells around Ben Hill Road in the Beech Creek community.

    Wells was seen walking away from her home on Ben Hill Road around 7 p.m.

    She is 4-feet tall, has blonde hair, and was last seen wearing a pink shirt and gray shorts.

    TBI issues endangered child alert for missing Hawkins County 5-year-old | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather
     
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  2. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Next member to sleuth this family's social media will receive a 1 week Time Out from Websleuths.

    It's clear in The Rules. We aren't going to say it again. Zero tolerance.
     
  3. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    This post lands at random. Apologies for the length and the personal anecdote.

    Websleuths is first and foremost a true crime discussion forum. Only second to that is that WS is victim friendly. That has NEVER changed, yet there are those who still insinuate or flat-out accuse parents or loved ones of being responsible for a crime.

    With regard to the Option 1 and Option 2 hypotheticals that were presented by birdfeeder upthread, I don't believe that post was designed to cast aspersions at the family, but rather to point out that, in their opinion, abduction was more likely than family involvement. It was not intended to be a gateway for others to make up scenarios or start down that non victim friendly path of how family members could be responsible.

    We have seen cases where parents remained totally silent about their daughter's disappearance because LE was busy building the case against someone else. We've had cases where a mother couldn't stay silent, and never seemed to say the ‘right thing’; members and even LE were convinced that mom was guilty yet two absolute strangers were ultimately charged with the murder of that woman's precious daughter. We've had surprises we would never have foreseen .. children who have been found after all hope had faded. Each case is unique in its detail and until LE names a POI or suspect, we do not understand why members join Websleuths only to then become averse to posting in accordance with our very basic Victim Friendly policy that covers family members, friends and loved ones.

    I can say through personal experience that the pain over the loss of children (different circumstances), while it never goes away, does change somewhat over time. It changes who you are as a person, but what will never change, and what I can still hear today as clearly as if it was yesterday, are the words of those who tried to make me somehow feel responsible for the death of my children. Your words have power. Please choose them carefully.

    Our rule has always been that we are victim friendly. As Tricia has said in the past, "The rules are easy to follow on Websleuths. Thousands of people follow the rules every day with no problem."

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  4. Tiff23fr

    Tiff23fr Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics Staff Member Moderator

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    Combined Historical Mod Notes:

    I get the frustration and the desire for answers. I also understand how emotions are high in Summers case. However, baiting and/or bickering with fellow posters is uncalled for. It gets us no closer to what brought us here and does not advance the conversation.

    Please refrain from responding to posts simply to bicker, argue, or bait. If you disagree with a post: scroll and roll, take a break, or at minimum pause and re-read your response before you hit “post reply”. When you feel most compelled to immediately respond, that is a sign you should pause before taking action.

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    Nothing has been released by LE stating the parents are POI’s or Suspects at this point. The victim friendly rule remains in full effect. Discussions/observations on what has been stated in interviews is fine. However, please do not point to, or post judgmental comments regarding how a parent looks or appears on video and do not cast veiled accusations of their involvement. Lastly, please refrain from stating you are “sitting on your hands”. That is a veiled accusation/judgement and there is no need to post it.
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    Mod Note:

    We all know this situation is not pretty. There is a lot of noise around Summer’s disappearance. When discussing the approved interviews, keep it to what is stated in the interviews. We will not tolerate trash talking of parties interviewed or on the periphery of this case. Leniency has been given to align with open discussion of the interview(s) content, but the trash talking is where the line is being drawn.

    There will be no further warnings on this topic. Time Outs will be automatic.

    Keep it classy and remember your words have power.

    Thanks Everyone,
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  5. Tiff23fr

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    Mod Note:

    The Mod and Admin team acknowledges a lot of information has been communicated via approved sources such as our own Tricia’s WS Channel and Chris’s TIR over the last 48 hours. We would like to offer some guidance around how the information may be discussed within the TOS we commit to uphold at WS.

    First and foremost Victim Friendly remains our North Star. Members may reasonably discuss what has been shared by these approved sources, but may not make random accusations, or directly suggest the parents involvement in Summers disappearance solely based on this information. The discussions around the sexual assaults should be anchored only in what has been shared in regards to historical behavior. Added speculation at this time regarding current behavior and connecting it to Summer would be in violation of victim friendly.

    We realize this is a balancing act and we are doing our best to balance along with each of you, while behind the curtain. This post is to offer some clarity of where we are today, however that position may be adjusted along the way as new details unfold.

    Best Regards,
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    Approved YouTube Videos as of Aug 16, 2021
    Attached are links to the YouTube episodes currently approved for discussion in Summer Wells case. An approved episode does not mean the channel is approved for blanket posting. When referencing YouTube content be sure it is from one of the links below. If it is not linked below, do not post it and do not bring discussion of it into the thread. When making a post regarding specific statements within these videos please take the following steps within the post:
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    All Episodes released on case - Chris M. The Interview Room
    All Episodes released on case - Profiling Evil

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    Unmasked:

    Interview with H’s Mom
    Interview with Church Friend DD

    DutyRon:
    Summer Wells false rumors and how it affects the case with special guests on Crime Time with DutyRon (Interview w/ Dr. Butcher)
    Summer Wells Search by Midwestern EquuSearch special guest Dave Rader
    Summer Wells Search live updates with David Rader from Midwest EquuSearch in Tennessee

    Voices Behind the Wall (Interviews with DW):
    DW Interview #1
    DW Interview #2
    DW Interview #3 (Retraces Steps)
    DW Interview #4 DW & Sister
    DW Interview #5 DW Answers Accusation and Offers New Theory
    DW Interview #6 August 22, 2021

    DW Interview #7 August 22, 2021

    It’s a Crime:
    Special Guest CM on Summer Wells Case

    John Kelly Profiler:
    Who Took Summer Wells - Part 1
    Who Took Summer Wells - Part 2 Who is Guilty
    Who Took Summer Wells - Part 3 Who is the Boogeyman

    Who Took Summer Wells - Part 4 Darkness and Evil

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  6. CSIDreamer

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    Can this be moved into the media thread?

    It's extensive, long, and was very time consuming to put together.

    @Tiff23fr

    JMO
     
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    Tiff23fr Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics Staff Member Moderator

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    Yes- I can pull it from this thread and place it there.
    Have a great day!
     
  8. SMK777

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    @RANCH
    I couldn’t bring your question here from thread #26.
    To answer it: I was simply responding to the poster who said something to the effect that she would be unable to hide her own deceased child: The guilt would eat her alive, and she would confess.

    My reply to her was that where there is a history of family pathology (dysfunction, substance abuse, alcoholism, DV ) and criminality, there is often the ability to dissociate and compartmentalize and rationalize, so that the guilt is repressed. I said that I’d witnessed it within my own family.

    I really can’t expand on this. By “pathology” I mean psychological dysfunction.
     
  9. Jettson

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    Good post. That was my point also in my post regarding H's allegation that CW came to his home 2 days after Summer's disappearance to find out what he told LE about the alcohol. If true I definitely believe she did that to protect her family & herself from LE/CPS. IMO doing that in the midst of all the chaos & horror of Summer vanishing would indicate exactly what you have described. IMO.
     
  10. SMK777

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    Well stated, thank you.
     
  11. LietKynes

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    Also interested in that day if there were any actions different from usual ?
    Something that the adults did or didn't do that was a departure from the norm ?
     
  12. SMK777

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    But would they be forthcoming about this? So many inconsistencies in the timeline. I suppose going to the emergency room was a departure from the norm.
     
  13. dacjess

    dacjess Where is Summer

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    I’ve noticed that CBW has described Summer as having “jumped up” at least three times so far while talking with CM. I don’t know if that’s something she says often, or if Summer is a bouncy child, or if it means something at all. Just figured I’d note it.

    (She jumped right up at the swimming hole, she jumped up out of her seat when they got home, and she jumped right up to help with the transplanting so far)
     
  14. flashy09

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    I noticed that too. Sort of "overprotesting"just how alive Summer was that day.
     
  15. RANCH

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    I'm not qualified to say any of this is accurate but I sure doubt the whole family is suffering the condition you describe. JMO.
     
  16. BlueShoe

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    Yes. I noticed that too and wondered if that was CW's regular usage or if she was trying to emphasize Summer's liveliness (because maybe she was not all that lively at one point). MOO
     
  17. SMK777

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    I meant, CW, DW, CH to varying degrees and in various aspects, and in their interactions, and in relation to their history. It’s undeniable from what I’ve seen. JMO.

    I don’t mean that the entire family is a walking wasteland of illness.
     
  18. dacjess

    dacjess Where is Summer

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    Interview with CM and CBW, Pt.2 - Inside Summer’s Home and Bedroom cont.
    • CM: “Okay walk me through, you take the groceries inside, now is Don home by the way?”

      • CBW: “No he’s not.” (10:20)

      • CBW: “Okay actually I parked the truck and I opened both doors, it’s really hard because of this lawnmower of his, but I opened the doors up and I said wake up we’re at home. She jumped right up.” (10:30)

      • CBW: “I unbuckled her and I said come on I said Mom, I’ll be right back, went in there and you got the boys and they were sitting at the table and I said come on let’s get the groceries out and we brought them all in the house, went through them all and all that.” (10:45)

    • CM: “ How many dogs do you have here on the property? About?” (10:56)

      • CBW: “Honestly I don’t know because people just keep dropping them off.” (11:05)

    • CM: “Okay so you go into the house…” (12:38)

      • CBW: We go in the house…” (13:00)

      • CM: “Okay so she comes up, jumps up, and goes right in.” (13:10)

    • CM: “Which is Summer’s bed?” (13:22)

      • CBW: “Oh its in the basement.” (13:24)

    • CBW: (about what happens when Summer comes in the house that day) “The boys are actually sitting here, they’re actually sitting right here at the table watching tv.” (13:33)

      • CM: “Okay, so they’re at the table…” (13:36)

      • CBW: “Yeah they were all locked in, nobody can get in, nobody can get out, that kind of thing.” (13:38)

      • CM: “Okay, so watching tv, where’s Summer?” (14:09)

      • CBW: “Summer… she was with me.” (14:11)

      • CM: “Okay, so walk me through that.” (14:14)

      • CBW: “All right well we walked up in here and we got Josie, Wyatt, Waylon, the boys.” (14:18)

      • CM: “Right, you put the groceries down, right?” (14:20)

      • CBW: “Yeah well we went back out and then we brought the groceries in and put them down. And then Mom, she went and took her stuff to her house and put her stuff away.” (14:31)

      • CBW: “And then of course me and Summer went back over and put our stuff away.” (14:35)

      • CM: “Okay. You went back in?” (14:38)

      • CBW: “Yeah me and Summer went back in the house and then we were just doing normal stuff around the house like we normally do and I come out and Mom was sitting there at the time and I come out and I’m standing here and I’m like what are you doing, what are you staring at? She’s like these plants, I gotta get them transplanted.” (14:56)

      • CBW: “I was like well, Summer will help us so I went back in I got by that time she was sitting on the floor playing with her toys in the kitchen where we were just at.” (15:05)

      • CBW: “She was sitting on the floor playing with the toys at that time. I said Summer you want to help plant flowers and she jumped up, left her toys a mess of course. That’s cool.” (15:12)

      • CBW: “We walked over here and we transplanted these cactuses from the little pots that they were in and transplanted these ones here into this bigger pot and that one in that bigger pot.” (15:30)

      • CBW: “And she took the rocks that we’ve gotten from different gem lines when we went up to Gatlinburg and stuff and she was taking, she’s the one that spread all the rocks around in here and then she put her puppies in here, she wanted Chase in here, you know? That was cool.” (15:45)

      • CBW: “Then we went in my mom’s well we can’t get in there now but we went in there, we went in there and got some candy and stuff she gets from Grandma and I said well, I’m gonna go back over to the house. She wanted to go back so I said I’d go back you know. And I brought her, I literally walked over to here, like literally walked right through here where I can see the boys at the kitchen table and I watched her walk in there and afterwards and she was already in there I walked over, I said Wyatt, he looked at me and I said watch Sissy, I’ll be right back. And that’s when I walked back over to my mom’s and I was fixing her brace and stuff like that, I said well Mom, I gotta go back over with the kids and that’s when I come back up into the house with the boys .” (16:45)

      • CM: “You walked into the house…” (16:59)

      • CBW: “I walked into here (talks to cats inside), I walk in here and them three were sitting right here in a row with their eyes glued to the tv like always. And I said boys where’s your sister at? Well she just went downstairs Mom to play.” (17:20)

      • CBW: “So I went over here like this. So this is where the stairs are, it’s actually down under there.” (17:29)

      • CBW: “Our bedroom and then hers is on the other side.” (17:33)

      • CM: “Oh in the basement.” (17:35)

      • CBW: “Yeah in the basement.” (17:36)

      • CBW: “And then I yelled I said Summer, Summer and she didn’t I listened for a minute and I didn’t hear nothing so I went like this (demonstrating going down the basement stairs) because this is how I do to get down here.” (17:46)

      • CBW: “This is mine and my husband’s room then over here well it’s a mess again but this is where Summer and little Waylon was because Waylon’s only nine and they stay down here and these are all her toys, all her paw patrols…” (18:28)

      • CBW: “The boys I brought back down here after she went missing because I didn’t want them upstairs by themselves anymore.” (18:38)

      • CBW: “So yeah I came down and I searched I looked underneath the beds under there, well we can’t really get under… I can’t. But I looked under there, looked under every blanket I could possibly look under. And then I come over here and I looked (mumbling) I didn’t see her nowhere. I don’t remember I don’t recall if this was locked or not, I don’t recall that but I don’t think, see it’s hard, but I know I did come out here and said Summer because sometimes she’ll sit right here and just sit here and play just for, you know and usually when she comes out she comes out and she goes directly that way up to the swing.” (20:10)

     
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    Tricia's interview of Chris McDonough last night is one of best in this string of YT videos about the Summer Wells case. IMO.
    watch
     
  20. Jettson

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    Absolutely! CM was excellent. I can totally see him teaching LE classes.
     
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