Toddler's Mother/Peaches/Jane Doe #3

Discussion in 'LISK Unidentified Victims' started by bessie, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. deedee21

    deedee21 Well-Known Member

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    I dont believe it took four years to make a connection between peaches and toddler. For two reasons. A connection was made between toddler and remains on the pkwy. Did that take four years? No. And they must of got a DNA hit with peaches and the remains on the pkwy at the same time.
     


  2. dc20015

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    iirc the tattoo artist said she was light skinned, possibly biracial. I have known many African Americans with skin the tone of the photo. It doesn't look clearly Caucasian to me.


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  3. DakotaMayi

    DakotaMayi Former Member

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    I too thought 'TBP.' Glad you said it actually as when I mentioned it up thread I thought I might be seeing things :)
     
  4. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    'Just jumping off your post

    Did the tatt artist, Cullen, mention "initials" or lettering? 'Seem he would have remembered that during questioning by LE and/or Rachel & Josh. I mean, he knew they were trying to identify this woman and most artists remember their details on a painting (and particularly when seeing a photo of it). Maybe another interview is needed?
     
  5. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    ITA

    And, an interesting snip from this 2011 article (although not a direct quote) LE "believes" both toddler and mother were killed just 4-5 years previously which doesn't fit with the year when Peaches' torso was found, so the "spin" by LE was in effect from the get-go.

    "Police released pictures of the jewelry the adult female, possibly the mother, consisting of a snake chain bracelet and an X-O style bracelet. The child, possibly the woman’s daughter was wearing a set of hoop earrings and a rope necklace. They are both believed to have been killed between four and five years ago."

    http://archive.longislandpress.com/...ictim-sketches-released-in-gilgo-murder-case/
     
  6. Emre E

    Emre E Active Member

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    NJEverCurious Well-Known Member

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  8. deedee21

    deedee21 Well-Known Member

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    deedee21 Well-Known Member

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    According to NAMUS the child was dead one year when she was found. LE wanted to throw everyone off with mom and toddler.
     
  10. Emre E

    Emre E Active Member

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    that's a very good question.. I give the tat artist's statement a 7/10... something not filling my ears...

    The story on the media is "police issued a black and white picture of a peach tattoo and this artist described the color scheme of the tattoo perfectly..." sounds like a "duh!"

    I called the man once and spoke with him a few minutes. What I can say maybe he is mistaken, or perhaps he's just an attention seeker... These are the possibilities.
     
  11. Emre E

    Emre E Active Member

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    oh.. didn't know that.. thanks
     
  12. Super Sleuth

    Super Sleuth Armchair Detective

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    Has anyone else re-looked into this?
     
  13. Emre E

    Emre E Active Member

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    Anyone meaning law enforcement? I have no idea..

    What I know is DNA comparison on the NAMUS database is not automated.

    That means; Celina's DNA (whether true or false, see my post about the possibility of a forged DNA submission) is on the database but for it to be compared with Peaches Doe the investigating agency must take action. Otherwise a possible DNA match is still out there not investigated.
     
  14. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Just a few random thoughts to add this morning.

    1. I wouldn't bother to go down a huge rabbit hole regarding the symbolism of the tattoo. It's a peach with a bite taken out of it and juice running out. Juicy Peach. Seems pretty cut and dry, imo. That said, I also wouldn't rule out the subject matter of the tattoo having something to do with Atlanta. That's at least worth a shot.

    2. If there is lettering in the tattoo itself, that would scream branding to me. Not sure how exactly we would go about trying to trace that to a pimp or a crew that was around in 1997 or earlier.

    3. If Peaches did mention "boyfriend" troubles to the tat artist, it's entirely possible she went there to cover up a branding. I would think the tat artist would remember if the tat was a cover-up. Assuming, of course, he's telling the truth.

    3. When trying to match up a UID with a missing person, you have to open your eyes to all sorts of possiblilities. For instance, just because a body was found in 1997 doesn't mean they were reported missing in 1997. Or ever reported missing, for that matter. And just because a UID is found in one state doesn't mean they came from that state. Not trying to state the obvious here...just pointing out that these kinds of searches really can be a needle in a haystack situation.

    4. Having said all that, it is interesting to note that, according to the tat artist, Peaches came in for her tat with an aunt and a cousin. IF these women really were an aunt and a cousin, that MAY give a better timeline for when she may have been reported missing. Bear in mind that in many many cases, missing loved ones are never reported missing. Some, like Jason Callahan, weren't reported missing until 20 years after his remains had already been found.

    Not trying to discourage anyone, but this is the reality of trying to match missing persons with UIDs.
    :(
     
  15. Al Ka

    Al Ka Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to WS vintagechick! Parlor had all the records, also of her, alas they have been destroyed in floods.

    On another note, because of your nick and location, do you mind to have a look at this new case? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...33-on-shoreline-of-Jamaica-Bay-tattoos-Sep-16 Would love to hear your opinion. Maybe you recognize the tattoos of the woman or where they could have been made in the area or anything that springs to your your mind.
     
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    Wow! I mentioned earlier to find out more about the jewelry and the suggestion was ridiculed. Great find! It looked familiar but I could not place the brand to it. Was the business a start up at the time and it was only sold in a few locations would be a good lead.
     
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    Al Ka Well-Known Member

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    I am a bit confused about some details, would someone help to clear it for me?

    Peaches torso was found June 28, 1997. Toddler was found April 04, 2011.

    From 2011 post on WS - red is highlighted by me
    That was not describing of the Peaches at that time, was it? Those adult remains with jewellery, when were they found? Did anyone seen any articles about it?

    Year 1996 is mentioned often too, even on http://www.aetv.com/shows/the-killing-season/season-1/episode-2/bonus-peaches is mentioned that Peaches was found in 1996, yet we all know it was 1997. So, does that mean adult remains with jewellery, were parts of Peaches and discovered already in 1996?
     
  19. Barbie619

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    It looks gold plated to me due to the discoloration and lack of shine. Gold doesn't discolor if it's solid gold no matter what karat it is....
     
  20. Salsa

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    This company changed ownership 3x the last being a large corporation. Between 94-97, it would be interesting to find out how widespread across the country, the jewelry was available and where.

    XOXO is an American contemporary clothing brand, owned by Kellwood Company. XOXO is targeted towards young females, mainly teenagers. It was started by Gregg and Lynne Fiene in 1991 along with their partners, Marc and Michelle Bohbot. The brand includes apparel and accessories, including handbags, sunglasses, belts, and jewelry. The partners sold the company to Aris Industries in 1999, who sold it to Global Brand Holdings in 2003. Rights to the brand were later licensed to Kellwood.[SUP][1][/SUP]
     
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