Discussion in 'Witness Testimonies and Closing Arguments' started by beach, May 25, 2011.
Back from my lunch break . . .
TL on stand
KC talked about how she was going to get the A home and move out with AH, don't remember exactly but relavant to that time frame . . kc was going to live with AH, I don't recall at that point in time anything about her saying anything about Mom or Dad, by 18th of June . . don't remember if kc and I were sharing secrets . . . new relationship . .. .June 19th look for another apartment . .. June 20th Fusion . . .kc went with TL . . . hip hop showcase . . . on 20th there was a Hot Body Contest that happened, don't remember if it was promoted beforehand but it was a last minute decision . . .more or less enough people to have contest . . .I wasn't present for the contest . . . I was told she wanted to do it . . .if you want to do it . . .do it . . . kc told me that (Objection overruled) . . I may have hesitated for a second but if she wanted to do it . . . TL's showcase . . his role was nothing got out of hand . . . no one harrassing the bar tenders . . . head security for the night . . .he didn't entertain . . . picture on screen (BR identified) photo of Hot Body Contest going on . .. recognize kc wearing a blue dress . . . same dress she came to showcase in . . .Clint (Roy) House was singing . . I was present when this was going on . . . June 20, 2008. Objections by DT previous objection . . .
HHBP noted previous objections . overruled . . .publish to the jury
Mr. George . . did you notice any difference in kc's demeanor?
A No Sir
not missing, kidnapped, actively looking for her, needed help, something happened to her . . . NOPE! (he means No)
TL had a lot of different phone numbers . . . 631 in it. changed numbers for media harrassment. Hip Hop Showcase was a success . . . kc came home with him . . . June 23rd . . . kc notified TL she ran out of gas in mid to late afternoon . . .TL was home, been at class that morning . . .she ran out of gas need to be picked up . . didn't sound frantic/scared/worried/angry. She asked for help, went to where she told me was , main road going south toward her house, TL believes he talked to her on the phone while going to get her . . . KC on the street with a backpack. Can't remember if he saw backpack before . . . she had gas at her house. . . went to her house to get gas . . never been there before . . she directed TL . . .driving Jeep . . . no other cars in driveway . . . to backyard. She opened garage . . keypad or garage opener . . . no other cars in garage . . . I can't remember if went through the house to the back yard . . .don't recall being inside A home . .. went to side of house to a shed, had open the shed, there was a lock . . . didn't have a key . . .break the lock with a tire iron from my truck . . .I was concerned about doing this . .. I asked if she was sure . . .she said Yes it's my Shi*!" Got a tire iron out broke the lock and took 2 gas cans, had gas in them, grabbed gas cans put in my truck, kc put gas into the car . . . kc put cans in the trunk . . .pontiac white . . .TL saw her put gas cans in trunk. . . TL couldn't see inside of trunk when she opened trunk. They went to his apartment . .. kc not concerned with breaking into shed . . .she was ok . . her mood was ok ..spent the rest evening with her . . telephone calls TL wasnt present when she was on phone. . .she would go out side . . sometimes you could see her walking around out near retention pond and grassy area. Found it odd (yes & No) didn't question it, private matter with her Mom to take phone outside. Never change in mood after speaking with her Mother .. . never got details what they spoke of. KC did say she would go call the babysitter . . .she would go outside to use the phone. Arguments with her mom don't remember any specific . .. not drastically change . .. altercation with your parents but not a severe one . . . I didn't want to inquire it wasn't my business.
It wasnt until later when I went back to NY for vacation June 30 - July 5th, after came back talked to kc about her home life.
June 26, 08 spent day w/kc . . .nothing specific . . hanging @ apartment . . .
June 27 '08 another occassion kc ran out of gas . . .midday or right before midday . . .she was at an Amscot @ end of Goldenrod Rd. Picked up kc @ Amscot - never got out of car . .. she was outside of car . . bags & groceries were outside the car.
She said her car broke down, kc said not need his help, her Father would take care of it. . . went back to apartment dropped off groceries then went to Fashion Square Mall.
SA approaching with another stipulation . . . requires JB signature . . .State and Defense agree that JC Penny video is true and factual. Previous marked LF . . . JCP video (I have not seen this previously)
DT objection relevance . . and previous objections
HHBP overrulled and noted . . . publish States #9
video shows kc at a sales counter . . hands the clerk something (a shoe?) clerk puts it in computer hands it back . . .kc leaves drops & kc . . . kc runs card . . .puts away in her wallet . . clerk runs transaction . . . video ends.
TL thinks this was June 27th he was wearing a tie for the first couple of nights doing the promotions . . . stopped wearin them . . . pictures objections by DT overruled .. . publish
Picture of kc in black dress (wearing beads) with TL behind her
no mention of Caylee missing, needing help kidnapped, nor herself being hurt.
kc drove TL & cameron in her jeep . . . he drove to the airport . . .she was to drop his car off @ sutton place . . . not any agreement/discussion allow kc to use TL's car . . .her Dad was supposed to have taken care of her car. TL didn't expect kc to use his car. pointed out kc and wearing . . . blue blouse.
JB objects . . .
Nothing more from SA from this witness . . . subject to recall
Jb: asking about photographs . . . death penalty case for KC . . .
JB when photos first introduced did kc talk about murder she had committed, going to commit in future, have weapons, knives, guns in her dress,
2nd photo . . .talk about murdering anyone that day, talk about murdering Caylee
JCP . . . same questions. . . borrrow knives or guns from anyone? Ducttape
(all answers NO)
JB buy any duct tape, plastic bags, chloroform, weapons, knives, sporting goods dept and look at guns? (NO)
buy weapons @ blockbuster .. .snag a boxcutter? talk about murdering anyone or previously committed, . . buy any duct tape . . .any tape laying around . . . (NO)
how many times did you see kc with Caylee . . .2 or 3 times . . . TL liked Caylee . . saw kc be attentive to Caylee not neglecting . . . never wearing dirty clothing, not going with out food, she was a good mother . . . Objection (sustaineed)
incident on June 2, 08 went w/kc & Caylee to pool and spent time together . . . incident where kc had to discipline Caylee? Not that I recall.
JB: (flipping through pages apologise)
TL wants more specific about discipline . .. raised her lvoice @ Caylee (don't recall that it happened by the pool). JB wants to show statement to LE given 9/18/08. Bates stamp 1653.
TL said KC stopped Caylee from getting near the pool had yelled @ Caylee to stop too close to pool.
Jb: Mr. George asked you about sharing secrets . . . . JB asking . . . objection . . .sustained on hearsay . . . JB needs a moment
(HERE IS THE KICKER . . . KC needs to take the stand or it is hearsay IMO)
JB asking for it to be admitted . . . not hearsay . . . an admission . . .
HHBP . . . it's also self-serving . . .sustained.
TL only spoke to LE, never spoke to media, didn't speak to DT, never sold photos or made money off of this. . . First time kc ran out of gas . . . she could have gotten the lock broken but she is a girl . . . JB says she weighs 105# wet . . . TL says give or take . . .got 2 gas cans drove to her car . . . she didn't say stay away from my car . . not blocking in anyway from getting near her trunk . . .she poured gas can into tank . . .TL standing next to kc . . . more than 2' . . .
crossexamination he is leading
TL said after 2nd gas can opening trunk . . . gas in car . . . she put them away in the trunk . . . didn't smell any stench in that car . . .before after or during, but I wasn't in the car. she had keys to her car . .. eventually drove it away . . . didn't put cans in backseat or front seat but the trunk of car.
JB fumbling for something . . .
TL came down for this trial . . it would be a hardship for him to come back . . . JB wants to introduce a photo vs. having him come back . . . approach .
Not really sure what happened here folks . . HHBP said could not show the pictures to the jury . . . court has the numbers of Defense Q on these pictures . . . JB shows picture . . .he sees gas station next to Amscot.
(sorry I was interrupted . . . missed some)
JB time where you saw KC . . .
first time kc ran out of gas . . . don't remember which statement it was that TL gave . . . a lot of things going on at the time . . .
JB says he needs 20 more minutes for Cross . . . They will bring TL back tomorrow. They will recess for the evening . . . .Jurors have agreed to work on witness on Memorial Day . . . building is scheduled to be closed . . . has to check with the county re: budget. Other factors . . . 3 other budgets affected . . . don't know if witnesess are available. . . HHBP doesn't think they will be bored on Monday . . .planning activities . . . unless they chose to confine to whatever hotel they are staying at. Good evening . . . .
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TL still on the stand . . . let him go.
CM wanting to give a matter of Law to the court, any issues must bring up first thing in the morning or you will have to wait until first recess . . . .court recessed until 9:00 am.
brought over from trial thread . . . thread got closed before court was officially adjourned.
If anyone missed Tony on the stand, I recorded it and it is on my YouTube channel.
IMO, Tony tells it like it is and very sure of himself. Although he seems to come across as being arrogant, since I am from North Jersey, and very familiar with Long Islanders, I understand his personality and ways and telling it like it is.
Did anyone else notice that Tony seemed a little sad when he talked about when he first met Casey. Seemed regretful. This is right after he says he thought they hit it off:
For Thursday morning's testimony
HHJP: bring him back. Tony L.
TL: states name
all rise for the jury
HHJP: hello ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
FG: from that picture do you know what that is?
an orentation sheet from Full Sail
FG: on that photo is is registration from where
Full Sail, to get your badge, and intro to school
FG: is there handwriting? your name?
yes, and Cameron
FG: on the top there are words
that is the address I was staying at with Cam
FG: is that your handwriting?
FG: does that document with the wording and the handwriting, the wording the same?
FG: was that in your apt?
FG: left for ny june 30th return?
FG: contact with defendant once a day?
FG: return on july 5th
FG: who picked u up?
FG: what car?
mine, went back to my apt, later went to buffalo wild wings, she wanted me to meet her friends
FG: did you meet friends?
FG: from july 10 to 15th
FG: any change in her behavior since you left
FG: is showing Tony something.
it is a receipt to blockbuster
FG: is you name on there?
FG: a date?
June 18th 2008
FG: is that your receipt?
FG: does it say on that receipt what you rented?
HHJP: you may okay mr George
FG: thank you sir can you tell from that receipt when you went to blockbuster?
June 16th 2008
FG: what time where they wented 19:58 hours?
FG: when you rented those movies was the defendant with you?
FG: I want to direct your attention to July 16th were you at home?
me and nate
FG: what were you doing?
playing X box
FG: who else?
FG: had she been there all day, we are talking July 15th
FG: while you and nate were playing x box what happened?
knock at the door, come in, it was Amy Casey's friend. They looked at each other and they walked out. We went back to playing our game, Casey came running in, her mother was now standing at the door.
FG: had you met Cindy before?
FG: not stating what others said what did Casey say?
No, I'm coming back
FG: what did you do?
sat there in shock
FG: how long in apt?
no even a minute
FG: what happened then?
FG: what was your reaction?
someone's in trouble
FG: call her?
I figured they had something to work out and I would hear from her.
I waited a while and called her phone and realized her phone was at the apt. I called amy because she showed up at the door.
FG: when the deputy came, did you say anything to him?
FG: did you give him anything?
her cell phone
FG: did you give the deputy anything else?
FG: how long was he there?
how long it took to give phone
FG: after the deputy left did you receive any calls?
Deputy came back
FG: how long after?
not long, an hour
I allowed the deputy search my apt.
FG: did he search?
FG: did he leave with anything?
FG: he leaves
FG: anyone else come?
Lee Anthony, came between nine and 12
FG: his demeanor?
Concerned, very concerned
FG: did you give anything to Lee?
FG: did you ask him what was going on?
before the deputy came, i got a phone call from Lee
FG: what did you give to Lee?
bag of clothes of Casey's and a laptop
FG: were these items he specifically asked for?
FG: duffel bag?
duffel bag, when the deputy came he grabbed the bag and brought it to my kitchen table.
FG: did the deputy pack the bag?
FG: did you allow Lee to leave with that bag and laptop?
FG: what was your reaction after lee left
wow, in light of everything that had happened in a couple of hours...
FG: any other visitors?
FG: try to contact Casey?
FG: 16th of july?
yes, text message
HHJP: you may
FG: LY take a moment to look thru that briefly.
FG: you recognize this?
it is a text message convo between me and Casey
FG: do you recognize the phone number and that text on the morning of july 16th?
FG: a fair and accurate representation of the convo you had with her?
HHJP: received in evidence
FG: is this the first text july 16th
FG: subject line
I am so sorry for not telling you.
I am so sorry for not telling you what happened. I need you and loved you more than you know.
FG: is this the first question you ask her? Where is Caylee?
FG: her response?
I honestly don't know
I don't know...are you serious?
FG: what was your mood at this time?
FG: next one, top one says I don't know are you serious?
I have been filling reports all night driving around with LE to the apt I took her to. I am the worst ****ing person in the entire world I don't know what I will do if something happens to her.
too long lets just leave it at that
why would'n't you tell me when I care about you and your daughter?
I trust my daughter with some psyco how does that look.
FG: what is IDK
I don't know. I don't know what to say I hope your daughter is ok I will help you and LE
FG: next one
I was put in handcuffs for almost ten min and sat in the back of a LE car the best thing in my life has gone missing and I don't know if I will see her again.
I am the dumbest person and the worst mother I honestly hate myself
The most important thing is getting Caylee back I hope you can forgive me my family won't we know my family.
I said, who is this zanny nanny person?
FG: prior to that you had heard of a nanny, zanny?
FG: you ask who is zanny and she says
she was jeffs nanny before she became mine.
FG: next one at seven
she texts: I'm scared, yeah almost 12 hours of stuff finally getting a shower I feel like hell.
FG: next are you asking questions here?
where did you drop off Caylee the last time you saw her? she said at the apt at the bottom of the stairs. Sawgrass apartments.
FG: she goes on to say
have told and showed the police the apt.
told them and drove out there with two different officers, just got back
if they don't find her guess who gets blamed and spends an eternity in jail
FG: you say
no **** this is serious why didn't you say anything to anyone?
FG: you say
oh, and why are you texting me and not calling (he says)
I have talked to two people connected to zanny, I was scared to admit it I was scared something was going to happen to my baby.
FG: after the exchange in text did you speak on phone?
I called her
FG: what did you say?
where is Caylee?
FG: first question?
FG: her response?
I don't know. I was angry. Lied to. betrayed. It is hard to explain everything at once.
FG: when she said she didn't know what did you say?
how do you not know. How do you not know where your daughter is, a convo that was going no where.
FG: you have class that day?
after a while of asking and going no where, not getting an answer just getting I don't know every time. I said I have to go to class and I hung up the phone.
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