Trayvon Martin's Autopsy

Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by JBean, May 17, 2012.

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  1. Maxim

    Maxim New Member

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    Or . . . both sweatshirt and hoodie were very large, and both were away from the body because of gravity--meaning TM was over GZ. Because of gravity, there was a gap between the shirts and TM.
     


  2. Just K

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    DR F, where is Trayvon's button that was on the left side of his chest just about the same position of the gunshot wound?

    It's not on the inventory sheet nor was it noted or evidence tagged in any of those crime scene pictures.
     
  3. jjenny

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    Very good question. It was a big button, clearly visible on the video of Trayvon in the store. And he still had this button when Zimmerman initially saw him, since Zimmerman mentioned it in his call to 911. So what happened to this button?
     
  4. Just K

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    This is a significant missing piece, yes?
     
  5. Dr.Fessel

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    If it's actually missing (and they didn't jut forget to mention it on the form) then yes, since it was located on the left side of the hoodie presumably close to where bullet wound ended up. But I think they just forgot to enter it on the form since it's listed under personal effects.
     
  7. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    It appears that the FDLE did do distance tests using fabric cut from the back of the sweatshirts and GZ's gun. (TS1)
    [​IMG]

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    http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor
     
  8. Just K

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    This is very sad, but at one point in the video Trayvon seems to touch or tap the button...almost as if he is checking to see if it is still there or secure.
     
  9. Just K

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    If it was never recovered then that would be significant. I hope they have it and if not they need to walk the path that Trayvon walked and look for the button.
     
  10. jjenny

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    They have it. It's listed under personal effects.
     
  11. Just K

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    Note: it says found within the victim's pocket. Too bad they put the button and the headphones in his pocket and took the Arizona Drink out. These items ought to have had their own evidence number...especially since they were not necessarily all found in TM's pocket/pockets.
     

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    Two revealing statements are contained in the ME's report:

    Twist your mind around that one time and show me how both can happen simultaneously with the shooter on his back and the victim sitting on top of him.
     
  13. Concerned Papa

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    How about if I get the ball rolling and show you one way it can, and in my opinion, DID happen:

    [​IMG]

    The noted point of entry and projectile path in the ME's report being 17 1/2" below the head is near perfect alignment for the extended arm of a standing shooter who is 3" shorter than his standing victim.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Wow. That kind of paints a clear picture, does it not? jmo
     
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    It would also help explain witness reports of seeing this almost immediately after hearing the gunshot:

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    You understand that many have already said that he would not have had the stippling that he had without the gun basically touching TM's clothing?

    Although, I've need more than one reference that 'intermediate' can be anywhere from 1-18 inches away (as opposed to point blank range where the gun is touching the victim).
     
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    Wow, that pretty much puts it into perspective and the only way that I can see how the bullet passed directly front to back. I believe this too is one of the many reasons that Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder.

    My opinion only
     
  18. LiveLaughLuv

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    I don't believe it's the way you're stateing it Maxium...I believe Papa has it correct. They both had to have been standing for the bullet to pass 'directly' from front to back...not on an angle...

    What else bothers me is the fact that GZ's claim of a struggle for the weapon, yet, TM's DNA is not there, nor did his nail scrappings show any of GZ's DNA as would be expected had TM fought with him...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/18/justice/florida-teen-shooting-details/index.html


    http://cfnews13.com/content/news/cf...rticles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

    Did GZ wipe the trigger of the weapon? How could his DNA NOT be on the trigger when in fact he did fire the weapon? Something is terribly wrong with this scenario...if not GZ's fingerprint, then WHO?

    Did he have help, as been suggested? Who else fired that weapon? What isn't being told?

    I believe GZ is the one who started this entire confrontation. He should have stayed in the security of his vehicle, had he done that, he'd not be in the position he finds himself today and TM would be alive...GZ's has lost credibility is my belief and his story is coming apart at the seams...

    Justice for Trayvon Martin
     
  19. persnickety

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    I don't believe that this graphic was posted to show the distance between Zimmerman and Trayon, only the position of the gun and the direction of the bullet, directly front to back according to the autopsy.
     
  20. cityslick

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    Distance matters, as GZ would not have his arms outstretched the way the graphic portrays it.

    Besides, where is the witness evidence that saw the two of them standing and fighting before the shot.
     
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