Trayvon Martin's Autopsy

Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by JBean, May 17, 2012.

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  1. suzihawk

    suzihawk New Member

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    Just as impressive as how one wouldn't be groggy or anything 30 minutes after having their head repeatedy bashed into the cement to within seconds of being in diapers and spoon fed for the rest of his life. IMO
     


  2. HiHater

    HiHater No justice. No peace.

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    I wouldn't know at what point he would have fallen...and people keep talking about "adrenaline" so maybe that's what helped him carry out his mission despite his injuries?
     
  3. jjenny

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    First of all, we don't know how poor her vision is without her lenses. Second of all she was inside her residence. She also couldn't give any descriptions of men she says she saw running.
     
  4. Concerned Papa

    Concerned Papa New Member

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    City, I did that image only to illustrate what the ME's report says. I'm not a forensics expert but have seen intermediate ranges defined from 3" to 30" and practically all points in between. Pick your distance and I'm pretty sure there's a distance than can be linked to support it. The various categories of shot distance I have seen include contact, near contact, intermediate, and distant categories, no matter the meted definition for intermediate.

    Although I have little knowledge about the various categorzation of shot distances, I have more than a little experience in understanding angles and angular impact on a given plane.

    A human arm holding a gun only has three, limited, pivot or rotator points from the shoulder to the gun. With a prone shooter underneath the victim, I can see no way the projectile path determined by the ME could occur with ANY contortion of these three points considering the additional qualifier of an "intermediate" range by any standard's meted dimension, whether the angular plane of the victim was vertical all the way down to, and including, nose to nose.
     
  5. cityslick

    cityslick New Member

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    30 minutes vs. 1 minute is somewhat of a difference.
     
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    Something like this perhaps.
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  7. cityslick

    cityslick New Member

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    I guess we would have to see past cases of people getting shot while they were scuffling on the ground if the bullet went in a straight trajectory path. I don't necessarily disagree with what your saying, but it's only a possibility and it leads me to question it when no other evidence lends itself to the fact that both were standing when he shot him.
     
  8. RANCH

    RANCH Well-Known Member

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    BBM the ME says the wound path was directly from front to back. pg127 http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor
     
  10. pjblack

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    The front to back shot depends on the two men's relative positions. Their bodies need not be stationary and immobilized in any one position during the entire altercation.

    For example, could be that as Trayvon moved his body backwards to gain more force and momentum to beat Zimmerman, Zimmerman moved his body upward to tried to get up and off the floor, forming parallel bodies between them. So when Zimmerman shot Trayvon once, the bullet went front to back.
     
  11. LiveLaughLuv

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    What makes sense is each witness saw a different stance/position...this didn't happen in one small piece of grass, if you take what GZ states..

    The main factor that LE agree on is, this could have all been avoided had GZ stayed in his vehicle...he for that purpose, is the aggressor in my eyes. Had he stayed back and allowed LE to deal with it, he'd not be facing murder charges..but no one is taking GZs words for the aggravating factor it gives. His mentality drove his behavior...I am beginning to be a broken record....GZ's statement of 'these a&&holes" always get away, is his driving force for he was adamant and determined to stop this alleged burglar, even tho' TM was NOT in the commission of a felony...no crime was committed that gave GZ the green light to continue to pursue an unarmed teen..for it now appears he hunted TM down...and for that he has to answer in a court of law..

    Why wasn't GZ fingerprint on the trigger of the gun he admits to firing?

    Why wasn't GZ's DNA under TM's fingernails? If there was this fight, I'd expect to find GZ's DNA all over TM's hands/nails/clothing...there is something rotten with GZ and I believe he instigated this to the point of firing his weapon which I believe he has been itching to do for a while now..

    I'd also love to know what happened right before GZ decided to go on this alleged errand run at Target? Was he already in angry mode? Did he and his wife have an argument? Something set him off before he encountered TM but I don't believe we'd ever get the truth from GZ or any of his family...They have all lost credibility, is my belief and any word spoken should be taken apart and scrutinized...they are not truthful...
     
  12. cityslick

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    Considering the fact that the fight as a whole didn't last very long, we are talking mere seconds.

    Also, when would of this statement happened?

    'I've got a gun, I've got a gun, take my gun away'
     
  13. Dr.Fessel

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    After the shot from what I understood.
     
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    You're correct, I misread it. I thought at first that was said during the scuffle.
     
  15. Velouria

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    You know, I have to agree with you about not repeating the brother's statements. As you pointed out, he clearly had no contact with GZ and reportedly had not seen him for some time. Therefore, I believe all his public statements should be disregarded as opinion only, and a rather biased one at that.

    IMO
     
  16. Sun48shine

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    Looking back at the Medical Examiner Case Report, page 2 of 2 (page 13 of the entire report), this statement conflicts with the Target run:

    "The caller stated that the male should not have been in the area and he observed the male while walking his neighborhood watch."

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t1
     
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    But we HAVE the 911 call, and it states NONE of this, how can that be?
     
  18. LynnM

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    No he doesn't and this is something I would like to know more about because remember, Zimmerman's wife moved the car because the police thought that Zimmerman had been on foot that night and didn't secure it as part of the crime scene. Plus, the police reports from that night and early media articles quoting Chief Lee all referred to Zimmerman having been on Neighborhood Watch. (The story later became that he was on his way to Target.)

    So why all this confusion? Was an assumption made because police officers knew Zimmerman from Neighborhood Watch? Did Zimmerman change his story at some point?
     
  19. Sherbie

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    Your post made me curious about something. I'm not familiar with ME parlance, so I wonder what exactly (and technically) "directly front to back" means.

    I don't know whether that refers to the bullet traveling straight from front to back in precise perpendicular fashion (in relation to the midline of the body), or whether it might mean that it simply wasn't impeded or deflected by body structures in its path, regardless the actual trajectory angle.

    Anybody got an ME source we could ask?
     
  20. LambChop

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    I think what is even more interesting is right below that the ME descibing what happened that the victim was shot and then "fell to the ground" and not fell over onto the ground. Did the ME think TM was standing??? jmo
     
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