I think JW was unhappy because JM rightfully objected. JW was leading the witness into areas that aren't admissible. There ARE data points that Dr. Demarte considered like the stalking and tire slashing incidents. But that can't be admitted and JW knows it. JW was being sneaky knowing she couldn't talk about the other incidents and could selectively mislead the jury with her questioning.
As someone who had a year and a half relationship with a bona fide Borderline Personality (forensically diagnosed after the fact by a therapist) I will share this little bit of relationship goodness.
Like a proper borderline I existed in two states to her: Hero and Villian. When I was a villian, which could happen at a moments notice, I became responsible for all her troubles, even ones that predated me. In this state she was incredibly vindictive. Remember, I didn't know she was BPD at the time and, confirmation bias aside, her behavior only makes sense within the frameword of BPD. Anyway, when she was feeling particularly slighted she would expend all necessary energy to provoke me. There was a learning curve to learning not to be suckered in by this, which was hard because she, in keeping with her diagnosis, knew what buttons to press.
One thing I refuse to do in a relationship is have "relationship critical" conversations via text message. She's one of the reasons for that. Eventually some of my exasperated texts came to a person of authority who, to their credit, recognized she was nuts. Part of their questioning what a terrible, horrible person I was was recognition that my "abusive" texts existed in isolation. She never provided the texts leading up to them, which is a great big red flag.
If you want to know how the story ends, I eventually became afraid of her vindictiveness and her knack for revenge by proxy and, after some false starts in the "I will just be your supportive acquaintance" department, I completely and utterly cut off all contact with her. Sue me, she was inteligent, charming, engaging, looked like an updated Katherine Hepburn and was bat-poo crazy.
That Wilmott is attempting to make a case that Travis was abusive, even if he used "unhealthy" language, by isolating his text that were reactions to Jodi's Borderline behavior, intrusiveness, vindictiveness and just plain crazy shows what a sac de scum Wilmott is.
Seriously, it makes you want to hand a date the MMPI and have her fill it out before the salad comes.
Man, this is worse than a trainwreck! Someone needs to stop Willmott, she is just NOT making any sense.
Nope, that number is correct. I haven't got raw data in front of me, but several cases and just plain "normal" folk, text like bunnies if you get my drift. It's incredible but it's done everyday. The faster we go as human beings the faster we become deaf, dumb and blind to things we really need to pay attention too. Like our families, our pets and our environment. Lord!
I hate when JW says something and thinks she is having a "gotcha" moment but it really isn't.
I'm sure she sleeps just fine after cashing her paycheck and going shopping for all those expensive clothes she wears!!!:moo:
((( hugs))) for you! Thank you for sharing, you brought tears to my eyes.Gee--sounds like you dated my mom!:floorlaugh: My wonderful mother would bait me, insult me, be rude to me until I exploded with profanity, then she would cower and act like I was beating her with a baseball bat. Just for fun. I never knew which woman I'd be meeting--the happy, magnanimous, fun loving lady or the witch. She provokes my little brother much the same way. Their particular abuse is so evil because it makes the victims look crazy, abusive and cruel--when it is actually the BPD's who are the bad guys.
I had to cut off all contact 5 years ago when she started to manipulate my small children--sorry mother--you may not torment and abuse my children. And I just ran out of energy having 3 small kids and having to deal with my mother's constant need for attention.
I have only recently begun to be able to think about my mother without feeling overwhelming rage--that is a hallmark of victims of these people. They always look innocent and sane while the victims are perceived as "abusers." Travis' reaction to JA's abusive manipulations was not over the top to me--I've been in his shoes.
My mother NEVER respected any boundaries I tried to set. Being intruded on and disregarded and run over by these people is crazy-making. They lie, they manipulate and they are always looking to cause a reaction in the people around them just to alleive their emptiness.
Wow--sorry for the novel!
I have no idea which is the case as I was not there. But I can tell you as a person in AA that before recovery, I was always "just tipsy", never "drunk" LOL!! Not saying she's either, just saying people *rarely* are forthcoming about their true consumption. Besides, once you're to the point of being tipsy, there is no real mental judgement capable of discerning between tipsy and drunk. It's an oxymoron. You would only know based on how others reported your behavior. Self-assessment, at the point of being tipsy, is futile.
How can Wilmott bring in these texts & emails when they were not brought in on direct?
ohhh Wilmott....this girl is smart.
You will not win with Dr. DeMarte. :floorlaugh:
Travis called her names when she pushed the boundaries = right to kill.
Seriously JW? Is that all ya got?
PLEASE please please please please let the jury do an interview on Dateline or one of the news programs after this trial is over. I am dying to know what they thought of Wilmott and Nurmi's behavior.
Rude snarky is not profesional
RIP Travis. I loved Dr D's reply to going behind the words - "I can't. He's not alive." Let's just back to why we are here.
It's such an important point and one that was abused by ALV and RS. Interpretting Travis's words to the benefit of JA. May it stop now!
What the ....??
Dr DeMarte asks politely to SEE the specific message that JW is referring to, so she knows what the heck instance JW is speaking about.
Dr DeMarte: "I would like to see it, so I don't imply anything misleading"
JW screeches .. "because you wouldn't want to mislead anyone, right?
Yes JW ... That's called the witness wishing to make sure she's answering truthfully.
Hard to answer JW's round-the-world to get to a point questions.
So pleased that Dr DeMarte takes her time with slow measured responses and is not ever sucked into the traps that defense tries to set.
Hello everyone! I'm a newbie but a very long time lurker. I have no ideal how to post a new post (duh) so I biggie backed on this one lol, hope that's ok. I luv this site and luv all the comments. I am here everyday and everynight lurking. Just want to say I hope there is justis for Travis and thanks for having me
Originally Posted by pinkfairy
You know what is going to be REALLY SAD.... the DT's closing arguments. I shake at the mere thought of what kind of doo doo they will try to use to convince this jury JA HAD to KILL and SLAUGHTER Travis.
I know that closing argument is going to be grueling and sickening for all of us and for his family. We will be needing to wrap our arms around each other and hang tight as not to lose our minds, on those (what I believe will be excrutiating Closing Arguments.)
I am happy in the fact that their Closing Arguments will be the last time we ever have to hear the DTs voices again.
God help us all.
The good thing about closing statements as opposed to opening is they can't say whatever they want as far as I understand. They can only bring in things that they proved during trial through evidence and testimony. ........They really haven't proved all that much in my opinion. I think we will hear the words "reasonable doubt" a lot! haha