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Discussion in 'Oscar Pistorius' started by beach, Mar 23, 2014.

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  1. beach

    beach Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Oscar Pistorius: South Africa gears up for its 'trial of the century'

    (CNN) -- He was one of South Africa's favorite sons, an amputee track star who defied all the odds and sprinted into the hearts of millions during the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. She was a staggering beauty with the brains to match, a law graduate and model whose star was on the rise.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/africa/oscar-pistorius-trial-preview/


    Pistorius channel goes on air in South Africa

    http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_306483/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Ip4glGHn
    Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial
    Follow events from Pretoria as paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius appears in court accused of murdering his girlfriend, the model Reeva Steenkamp.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Watch-live-Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial.html

    Links:

    Full Indictment-4 Counts-107 Witnesses

    http://www.scribd.com/embeds/185695...=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-UPDATES-Pistorius-broadcast-trial-ruling-20140225

    http://www.channel24.co.za/TV/News/DStvs-Oscar-Pretorius-trial-TV-channel-wont-be-tabloid-20140228

    Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/oscartrial199

    https://twitter.com/GeraldImrayAP

    https://twitter.com/Debora_Patta

    Live Streaming:

    http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/oscar-pistorius-trial-live-stream/

    http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/97919-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-live-streaming.html

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-live-here-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-day-9/

    http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistorius2.htm

    Live News Feed

    http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Oscar_Pistorius_trial_4

    Trial Video Archive:

    http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/oscar-pistorius-trial-archive/
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  3. beach

    beach Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Updated Trial Schedule


    "The court in Guateng province said that the trial would continue until 4 April, then adjourn for one week before resuming until 16 May.

    "All parties involved" had agreed to the dates, the court said."


    Link - BBC South Africa




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    yummm! I'm thinking we'll need more napkins!

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    But I think you might be right lemon. I only vaguely remember this testimony but I remember a lot of people having some sort of epiphany about the window being closed...I just don't remember it being very clear.
     
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    I hope OP takes the stand this week.
     
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    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    I brought this natasha post across from other thread... locked before I could reply :banghead:

    Sorry but my post contained a TYPO.. that I seem to have repeated. Typing shots were around 3:00AM... but I actually think they were around 3:10AM

    That is based on Christo Menelaou saying he heard bangs at 3:08 (not testimony yet) as well as Sipps saying there was about 10 minutes between the sets of bangs he heard

    I hope that clears everything up?
     
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    Come on everybody!

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    Lol, now I will have to go listen to it all again... if the window had already been closed by OP as well as the sliding doors, curtains, blinds, etc then it stands to reason that the bat whacks after the gunshots would be less likely to have been heard by anyone, correct?

    Whereas if the bat whacks occurred before the gunshots and before OP realized the bathroom window was open for all and sundry to hear the airing of their exchange(I don't recall OP saying anywhere that he closed the window before he advanced on and shot up the toilet room) then I believe the possibility arises that the neighbour/s could have been awoken by the sound of the "get out of my house! etc." and any possible bat whacks, screaming in fear/anger, subsequent gunshots and in case anyone missed it, OP's deliberate trip out to the balcony, after reopening the sliding doors, to call for help after he'd killed RS.
     
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    It reassured me a bit because the expert is Marius Do Toit who has worked at both prosecution and defence and has handled at least 100 murder cases, he says. Du Toit thinks Nel has woven 'A golden thread'.
     
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    7 minutes is still a huge gap of time not accounted for in OP's version. OP said after the gunshots he backed out of the bathroom, realized RS wasn't in bed, screamed for help, put on his legs, kicked the door, then got the cricket bat.

    I'm having a very difficult time imagining any scenario where it would take 7 minutes between the shooting and getting the cricket bat. I'm also having a hard time believing RS would still be alive 7 minutes after getting shot through the brain.

    I'm also having a hard time imagining 7 minutes would go by without OP calling either he police or an ambulance.

    PLUS... the defense is trying to argue that the shots were tap-tap. How can they argue this if they are saying the sounds were the bat? The bat swings would have much longer delays than describe by any of the witnesses in regard to what they referred to as gunshots.

    Bang.... bang bang bang isn't the sound of swinging a cricket bat.
     
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    I'm almost ready ... I am watching Dallas Buyers Club (good movie) and have 12 minutes left. Good timing, if I do say so :)
     
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    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    I asked yesterday and James83 (of similar mind to you) replied. Here is that exchange. I have to go update the trial elsewhere... so may not respond again.

    I would add that it might take OP a bit longer than estimated by James, and the time of the shots is NOT set in concrete it could be plus or minus a minute or two. So very easy to accept the time of shots as discussed... it allows some time to do stuff... again the State time for the shots at 3:17 is simply NOT POSSIBLE and so not correct.
     
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    In most jurisdictions if somebody is killed in the act of committing another crime, the killing is considered murder.

    OP possessing and shooting the illegal bullets, and OP shooting at the toilet door are both crimes.

    Does anybody know if SA law stipulates that if OP killed somebody while committing another felony it murder?
     
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    Marking.....:D
     
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    If Roux is trying to suggest that you can't know who searched the iPads then this suggests there is something in the history that is damning to Oscar. I just can't imagine what!
     
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