Trial Discussion Thread #33 - 14.05.05 Day 26

Discussion in 'Oscar Pistorius' started by beach, Apr 13, 2014.

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  1. Forensics

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    My summary of today is that largely Johan Stander and his daughter Carice told truthful accounts of the event, although they both took pains to place emphasis on aspects of their evidence that advanced Oscar's version. Those that believe Oscar is innocent will be pleased that Johan and Carice gave such a compelling account of Oscar's 'torment' that night. Those on the other side of the fence will, no doubt, believe that Oscar's rage could well have dissipated long before and he now faced the horrendous consequences of his actions. Whether he was sorry after the fact, does not mitigate what he did. And, from an even more cynical perspective, one could consider that Oscar merely exaggerated his anguished state to help bolster his defence.
     
  2. shane13

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    Roux is in the Oscar-Dark, and can't find his way out now...
     
  3. Interested Bystander

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    I suppose the fairly obvious reason would be they felt very, very safe. It seems nearly everyone leaves their balcony doors open on a warm night and nobody has burglar bars. All very informative.
     
  4. beach

    beach Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Sure.

    This post (& thread) should help explain it.


    Sue is one of the WS co-owners. She and her husband, Ron, are both very close personal friends of mine. Ron is an attorney and I worked with him for a while when I was in TX.

    Thanks for asking. :hug:
     
  5. ColonelMustard

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    Thank you for that correction. Good grief, I was waaay off base!!
     
  6. Interested Bystander

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    Frank is referred to by OP as his "houseboy" and apparently sometimes his "servant". It seems he is a jack of all trades.
     
  7. DebinGA

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    Folks here said OP wasn't looking at the Standers today. Was he at least crying/upset as they described that day? Bizarre if he listened impassively. Roux seems to be banking on OP's demeanor post-murder saving him from prison, and Nel seems, at least to me, somewhat indifferent to what occurred after witnesses arrived.
     
  8. Interested Bystander

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    Thank you, that makes much more sense now.
     
  9. ColonelMustard

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    Agree.
     
  10. ColonelMustard

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    And he was the first one Oscar called.
     
  11. zwiebel

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    Oh yuk. I don't like that. It seems reminiscent of slavery....
     
  12. shane13

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    People might get the wrong impression.
    Fom everything I read, Oscar treated him well and respectfully.
     
  13. KarenUK

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    My internet connection dropped out for the morning and has only just come back :banghead: - have I missed much?!?!
     
  14. zwiebel

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    One little bit of info I found interesting was CS saying her (and her parents, I think) were in bed around 8.30-9pmish.

    That makes OP's claim he and Reeva went to bed so early less outlandish. Perhaps early bedtimes are just commonplace on the estate?
     
  15. ColonelMustard

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    Seriously, could Carice have heard anyone screaming ( at OP's house) from that far away?
     
  16. Interested Bystander

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    Yes, thank you Shane, I really should have added that. I think Oscar had a very good relationship with him. However, both were terms he used to describe Frank to various friends. It was mentioned in a video on you tube that was quickly removed at the start of the case.
     
  17. DebinGA

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    Unless Frank is lily white, OP wouldn't have sponsors as soon as they heard that where I live, even if it was said somewhat affectionately. "Some of my best friends are black" stopped being okay decades ago.
     
  18. Interested Bystander

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    I think he maybe was on the witness list and therefore can be called by the DT but I did read at some stage he wasn't there that night. I don't know how true that was.
     
  19. Interested Bystander

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    I think he may have been Malaysian or was it Malawian (more likely). Carol70 knows, I think.
     
  20. DebinGA

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    I don't know. But Dr. Stipp testified to hearing a man calling for help soon after the final bangs and the screaming suddenly stopped. I don't know how that helps OP though.
     
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