Trial Discussion Thread #44 - 14.07.1-2, Day 34-35

Discussion in 'Oscar Pistorius' started by beach, Apr 13, 2014.

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  1. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    I wish she would have acted like my 2nd grade teacher.

    "Come up here right now and give me that and then go stand in the corner" :floorlaugh:
     
  2. zwiebel

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    Does Nel get access to full copies of those psych reports? Because if not, it doesn't seem right - that defense can introduce written evidence in open court, selectively quote the bits that suit them, then that's it. I know the judge has copies though, at least.
     
  3. Hatfield

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    JMO
    His childlike jubilation and what I perceived as careless handling of his firearms on the gun-range video helped me to realize he is not the type of person I would want to ever be near when he has a weapon.

    I see people like him at the gun range I go to and I leave immediately.
     
  4. Viper

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    Awesome stuff Zwiebel! Thank you. As a courtesy, here is a non-mobile version link to the one that you kindly provided:

    https://twitter.com/karynmaughan

    Thanks again.
     
  5. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    Re BBM
    I sure hope the judge doesn't lose sight of what I believe this whole case resides on. What would a "reasonable" person do if they just heard noises and thought someone broke into their house and hid in that bathroom.

    Disability or no disability, a "reasonable person" in my opinion would not go running towards that bathroom door to blindly shoot through the door at them when they cannot be certain the person is really an intruder.

    -It could have been a relative coming for unexpected visit thinking he wasnt home and came right in.
    -It could have been the neighbors drunken kid coming into the wrong house (has happened in US).
    -It could have been an elderly senile person coming to wrong house.
    -It could have been a transient trying to use bathroom.
    -It could have been "Reeva" (it was)

    IMO, a reasonable person would not have done what he did. They would have either run out the front door and get away OR have the weapon ready and ask the person to identify themselves while standing at a safe distance to be able to shoot them if they needed to.

    That is what a reasonable person would do if we want to believe his story. But IMO, the witness hearing female screaming and arguining tells me his story is false to begin with.

    IMO, OP loses this case either way. I just hope the judge does not lose sight of what a reasonable person would do in that situation if she wants to believe OPs story.
     
  6. DebinGA

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    "His style of conflict resolution is to talk through the situation or remove himself from the situation"

    How might OP react if the other party in the conflict wants to end the conversation and tries to leave before OP has finished all he wants to say? Does the report mention how OP handles rejection or criticism?
     
  7. jay-jay

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    This is a sluething forum, and as such, many of us have been over and over and over the various pieces of evidence put forward (photographic, witnesses testimonies, etc, etc) and we have come to the conclusion that this is the only possible scenario based on the information that has been provided to us. People here are not just condemning OP willy nilly .. they are basing their opinion on a whole range of things, mainly inconsistencies and lies which have emitted from the mouth of Pistorius himself, and can come to no other conclusion but that OP and Reeva argued that night and he shot her intentionally in a fit of pique. This forum isn't a courtroom, it's a discussion forum, and as such most of us have been taking each piece of evidence or testimony and examining it, and believe it or not, we are not just dismissing it because we want OP to be guilty (just for the hell of it) but simply because it is either irrelevant to the case or it is inconsistent with the version of events that OP has provided. I have no wish to see an innocent person jailed, but I've yet to see how OP can possibly be innocent <<-- if you have some way of knowing, or proving, that then I'd be happy to listen.
     
  8. vansleuths

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    I know you are not inferring this, but if the court would accept that it is reasonable for a disabled person to shoot 4 bullets through a locked bathroom door because he had a fright, I don't think I'd want to hang out with anyone that has a disability.

    It would set way to broad of a precedent. Let's hope it doesn't come to this.
     
  9. Feynman

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    John Houseman in The Paper Chase for example. Note the hilarious resemblance:

    http://www.nndb.com/people/686/000042560/

    But when you think about it, it has fewer syllables than "previously mentioned". Henceforth I shall utilize the aforementioned "aforementioned".
     
  10. cottonweaver

    cottonweaver Well-Known Member

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    Maughan's tweets worth a look.
    eg. Panel interviewed 16 people incl. ex Jenna Edkins (one who became a staunch supporter and got into a twitter war with STaylor when ST posted the "last lies you'll tell" comments. JE dated him off/on for 5 years)

    eg. Report says OP been exposed to crime directly/indirectly all his life!!! I am really finding this report hard to believe even though it does what it needs to for PTeam. Did the panel review facts or just go off interviews- no crimes reported against him.

    eg. Report says OP never reacted to offers from glamorous models because he was suspicious they were after his fame. Esquire cover girl Reeva not a glamorous model?!! And what about the other Russian model - or is that just a rumour? see link below.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...icky-Miles-Samantha-Taylor-Russian-model.html
    In any case Melissa Rom ex was/is also described as a model see below
    http://fabwags.com/melissa-rom-oscar-pistorius-ex-girlfriend/
    Can't the panel use/allowed to refer to published articles etc in mags, internet etc.?

    eg. Report:"His style of conflict resolution is to talk through the situation or remove himself from the situation"

    etc etc.
    :banghead:
     
  11. MsMarple

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    rbbm

    Apologies if this has already been discussed as I'm still on page 24, lol.

    So which is it, OP moves towards the threat or looks to remove himself from the threat? :waitasec:

    This trial is turning into A Tale of Two Oscar's...
     
  12. Feynman

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    I have to disagree. The report said it's not GAD, so adios Dr. Vorster -- she's gone. And I do think the DT was trying to implant some kind of "diminished responsibility" meme into the proceedings (the other memes - remember double tap? - didn't seem to be working too well). The "I didn't intend to shoot at anyone, I shot out of fear" business has been tarnished, since his "fear" is not that of a mentally disordered person, but is likely within average limits, and given the shooter's expertise with guns, this special pleading looks weaker.
     
  13. MsMarple

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    Oscar's testimony about his vulnerability when on his stumps nagged at me from the beginning; I couldn't reconcile it with him bringing in fans or jumping onto the bed then feeling around the floor and curtains while keeping his gun pointed at the hallway, not falling over from the gun's recoil yet managing to fire a tight grouping, etc..

    The defense witnesses really brought into focus how absurd OP's claims really are and convinced me that he either lied through his teeth or had his prosthetics on.

    So, thank you, defense witnesses, for clearing that up! :clap:
     
  14. TorisMom003

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    Thank you for this KT! Much appreciated! I posted my "rebuttal" to some of the things in blue. It's a shame that the panel did not investigate OP's claims instead of taking him at his word.

    MOO
     
  15. TorisMom003

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    If OP's stumps are that uncomfortable to walk or stand on, then how can he not only walk but run with his prosthetics on? Is there a ton of extra padding under his stump in the prosthetics to prevent the pain? Or is this another lie from OP's camp to try and get him off of the murder charges?
     
  16. Duchy

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    Never heard of him lol:blushing:
     
  17. geevee

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    I couldn't tell at the end of today's session, did Oldwage finish with the witness or just point out the time to Her Honor before asking for the banning of publication of the report contents?
     
  18. Marfa Lights

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    Nor should it be one big pity party for the perpetrator as this trial is rapidly becoming-- and yes, he is the perpetrator, not just the "accused"-- let's not forget he is the self-confessed killer. Innocent until proven guilty does not really apply here. He is unquestionably guilty of killing Reeva. It only remains for Judge Masipa and the assessors to reason why.

    Actions have consequences, intended or not, and regardless of how sympathetic a character you find him, Oscar needs to be held accountable for his "mistake" that night. Objective analysis does not exclude one's capacity for reason or the ability to remain skeptical in the face of false and misleading evidence. When the defense piles it on this thick, mockery and various emotions, such as disgust, are time-honored responses from the gallery.
     
  19. Interested Bystander

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  20. Giles

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    I don't think he's finished with the witness yet. So, well have to endure more of him tomorrow.
     
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