TV Chimp attacks & gravely injures woman.

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wintrbabe said:
Apparently this chimp never gave any indication of being anything but gentle until now. BTW, I am new and I hope I am doing this correctly. I agree wild animals should not be kept in homes for people, this is a perfect example. If you watch the news tape of the 911 call the owner is screaming that the chimp has "pulled her friend's face off" as it continues to harm the friend. It also seems the DEP did not enforce rules and gave the owner a free run with this chimp. Seems that city might be somewhat responsible in this case. Sympathies to the poor woman who has to be suffering horribly now in critical condition. Things like this can and should be avoided by human's using some simple common sense, IMO. ETA, The owner should have never given the chimp xanax, I really believe this is what set the animal off.
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I very respectfully will debate the point above. It is very frustrating to hear similar responses of what I put in bold above.

No he did not give any indication, neither does a pitbull before it chews up a child, etc (but that's a whole different discussion with vicious dog breeds). Animals are generally given one chance in situations like this. So there never will be 'warning' signs.

I'm don't think this is the 1st time he received Xanax, my opinion. Giving a medication to a different species is insane. There's simple over the counter medications that can kill dogs, but people think if it works for me, must do the same for them too.

Wild animals do not belong with humans in a human environment ever, never ever ever. Legally owning them is wrong & it has to stop.

My 2cents
 
I have followed the work of my hero Jane Goodall since I was a child.

Quick search found this link. Much more at link including an attack on Ms. Goodall by Frodo.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0304/feature4/online_extra2.html

The chimpanzees regularly hunt down other mammals—notably colobus monkeys—and kill them for fresh meat.

This behavior is normal for wild animals, but it brought tragedy to a human family in May 2002, when Frodo snatched and killed the child of a Tanzanian park worker.
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and:

This was not the first case of human babies being taken by chimps in the Gombe area," Dr. Kamenya elaborated. (Abductions resulting in child deaths also occurred in 1987, 1984, and in the 1950s.) ....Other cases of chimpanzees seizing human infants were reported in the Congo in the 1950s and in Uganda in the 1990s.
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Going back to read the links above but does anyone know if he was neutered? Reaching a full adult age and sexual maturity may have contributed to his actions.

I was alternate zookeeper to the chimps and they are soooo strong.

Prayers to all involved.
 
redheadedgal said:
owner NOW SAYS she DIDN'T give the chimp xanax

i guess a toxicology report will tell the absolute truth... she'll look even worse than she does now if she's proven to be lying...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_re_us/chimpanzee_attack
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:rolleyes: yeah, I'm thinking she's just afraid now of being charged with something. But either way, they'll do a bunch of tests. I suspect they'll find Xanax & alcohol in his system. She seemed to 'boast' that he would have glasses of wine with her often. Good Lord, this wasn't a human. I don't understand what drives some people.
 
Two older women trying to deal with a wild animal is not a good thing. She has backtracked on the Xanex and knew there was a problem as that is why she called her friend for help. This is a situation that never should have happened but it did. Loving friends and loving animals has to have a balance when there is danger involved. Poor Charla...this is so terrible.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/sha...nzee_Attack.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
 
How very sad. And to think the owner (keeper) called a friend to help her calm the chimp-- she should have gotten out of the house and called 911 and asked for animal control specialists. And the poor friend should have known better.

A young man named Michael who once did some work from my husband had a large white dog that was part wolf (I believe half wolf-- this is up here in Canada). Michael would not allow anyone to feed the dog other than himself and since he did not have much income, the dog was always hungry. The dog got along okay with our dogs, but my husband never trusted her.

My husband (who was Native American) said that the dog still had wolf in its blood and could not be truly domesticated. He finally told Michael not to bring the dog around for fear it could harm our stepdaughter and any guests we might have.

A couple of years later Michael told us that he gave the dog back to the person who bred it. He did this because he began having nightmares in which the dog turned on him and killed him by ripping his throat out! My husband was glad that Michael listened to his dreams and got rid of the animal before something bad happened.

I think in this day and age some of us are so removed from nature that we forget that wild animals are just that and can be dangerous. My stepdaughter's mother used to tell her daughter that since she was Native American and the daughter of a "Medicine Man," she did not have to be afraid if she saw a bear! When my stepdaughter moved up to Canada for a year and a half to live with us, my husband had to sit her down and tell her to NEVER approach a bear or other wild animal because they WERE dangerous. Years later, my stepdaughter admitted that she was glad her Dad had talked so frankly to her that day, because if she had seen a bear priot to that discussion (and we do have black bears on our property in the fall), she would have tried to pet it!!
 
Couple of things to consider....

Sandra said on the Today Show this morning that she did give Travis xanax 5 minutes before he broke out. She said he had escaped his enclosure so she contacted her friend to help her get him back in the house. She said her friend had changed her appearance and she thought perhaps Travis thought her friend was a threat. Travis never attacked Sandra not even after she stabbed him with a kitchen knife and hit him with a shovel.

Sandra had adopted Travis when he was 3 days old, he was never "wild" and knew no other life. I even saw a picture of him sitting next to an infant. He was like a son to her. It is even more sad because she recently lost her husband and her daughter. I hope she is going to be able to get through this OK.

What Travis did was crazy brutal but was it really more crazy brutal than what humans do, to their own families and even their children?

I am not saying that I think wild animals should be kept at pets but I think all animals (and humans) have the ability to "snap" and inflict bodily injury on others. Humans use knives, guns, clubs, etc. and animals use their teeth. I think this freaks people out because Travis has hair all over his body and walks on his knuckles. I don't know if he had all his teeth but chimp canines are huge!
 
colomom said:
Couple of things to consider....

Sandra said on the Today Show this morning that she did give Travis xanax 5 minutes before he broke out. She said he had escaped his enclosure so she contacted her friend to help her get him back in the house. She said her friend had changed her appearance and she thought perhaps Travis thought her friend was a threat. Travis never attacked Charla not even after she stabbed him with a kitchen knife and hit him with a shovel.

Charla had adopted Travis when he was 3 days old, he was never "wild" and knew no other life. I even saw a picture of him sitting next to an infant. He was like a son to her. It is even more sad because she recently lost her husband and her daughter. I hope she is going to be able to get through this OK.

What Travis did was crazy brutal but was it really more crazy brutal than what humans do, to their own families and even their children?

I am not saying that I think wild animals should be kept at pets but I think all animals (and humans) have the ability to "snap" and inflict bodily injury on others. Humans use knives, guns, clubs, etc. and animals use their teeth. I think this freaks people out because Travis has hair all over his body and walks on his knuckles. I don't know if he had all his teeth but chimp canines are huge!
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Bold by me -
Charla needed to understand that what she had was a WILD animal. He was always wild - always. No matter if they're born in captivity, etc, they are a wild animal period. You cannot undo the 'wild' in them just because you kept the animal from birth. It is wild. It's a sad misconception for others to believe that we can tame the wild, we cannot. It cannot be done. They have their built in 'instincts' and that's what happened the other night, besides maybe hallicinating from human drugs, he was acting on instinct.

Poor Travis, what a horrible ending because of humans.
 
PattyCake said:
Bold by me -
Charla needed to understand that what she had was a WILD animal. He was always wild - always. No matter if they're born in captivity, etc, they are a wild animal period. You cannot undo the 'wild' in them just because you kept the animal from birth. It is wild. It's a sad misconception for others to believe that we can tame the wild, we cannot. It cannot be done. They have their built in 'instincts' and that's what happened the other night, besides maybe hallicinating from human drugs, he was acting on instinct.

Poor Travis, what a horrible ending because of humans.
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I agree with you 100%, PattyCake. The only good thing to come out of this is that we learn from it so similar tragedies can be prevented in the future.
 
PattyCake said:
My mistake, sorry about that. I made the correcttion. TY very much concernedperson.:blowkiss:
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Me too...

wild (wld)
adj. wild·er, wild·est
1. Occurring, growing, or living in a natural state; not domesticated, cultivated, or tamed: wild geese; edible wild plants.

Perhaps there is a better word.....

Maybe unpredictable and dangerous.
 
Disingenous (sp) is a better word to describe trying to domesticate a wild animal. The animal is not human and has not evolved to that. No matter how much we love them.
 
When she came out of her car that she doesn't normally drive, I don't think Travis recognized her," Herold said. "She was greeting him with a teddy bear, and that's when he went wild."

Travis had known Nash, 55, for several years - but may have been confused by her new hairstyle.

She had just got her hair done. It used to be long and brown, but she changed it to short and blond and fluffy," she said.

(source) http://www.nypost.com/seven/0218200...otos_show_friendly_side_of_young_c_155795.htm

god bless them all!
 
I feel so bad for everyone except the owner of the chimp. This poor woman went over to comfort her friend's pet, even bringing him a teddy bear. Poor Travis was scared, confused and possibly hallucinating. Then he has his "mom" stab him, officers shoot him and ultimately dies.

All because this selfish woman chose to keep a wild animal in her home because it brought her comfort.
 
lizzybeth said:
I feel so bad for everyone except the owner of the chimp. This poor woman went over to comfort her friend's pet, even bringing him a teddy bear. Poor Travis was scared, confused and possibly hallucinating. Then he has his "mom" stab him, officers shoot him and ultimately dies.

All because this selfish woman chose to keep a wild animal in her home because it brought her comfort.
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It is very sad. I was reading Travis had once tried pulling a woman into a car with him and she reported it to police because he had brought blood. Nothing was ever done about that, the lady said if something was done then this could have been prevented. If I'm not mistaken and read right the lady that was attacked also has a daughter that is a teen.
 
I feel terrible for poor Charla N and her family. This chimp was basically eating her alive. She lost her eyes, her nose, and her jaw... So she will never see, smell or eat anything again. That is terrible.

It bothers me that the owner did not have something to subdue the chimp with if it did get out of control. Obviously it is a wild animal, you would of thought that she would of had something that would of put the animal out if this came up.
My heart goes out to this poor lady who is suffering.
 
OMG! You'd think the chimp would have known that woman by her scent. How ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING! I can't imagine such a thing happening to me or a person I loved and/or cared about. It's almost unimaginable to survive such injuries and have to go on. And if something like this happened before -- what Laura08 said about Travis once trying to pull a woman out of a car, then the Chimp was a walking time bomb. (IMHO, people can be so blind about the bad behavior of their children and their pets.) My prayers go to everyone involved, including the Chimp.
 
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