GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #10

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  1. greenpalm

    greenpalm I don't say much unless I've really thought it thr

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    I agree. I'm just wondering if they didn't have a warrant because:
    1. They couldn't get one?
    Or
    2. Because they didn't want to tip their hand or have the warrant published

    LDhummingbird?? Just curious. I recall you not feeling comfortable telling us how you knew her clothes hadn't been recovered. I also recall you being vague about what time Alanna was last seen (which frankly resulted in quite a bit of heat from the public, ie. the outraged cry, "how could MM not know when she was last seen!" ).

    So, my question for you is, were you protecting the investigation? Good for you.

    I also wonder if poor Alanna's family knew her COD and that she was sexually assaulted long before yesterday. I wonder if you knew some of that too.

    Hugs to you for all you've done.
     


  2. manzana

    manzana Inactive

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    They did not just go there on a hunch, courtesy call, they could have done exactly same type of search that they did to the parents home, or at least more than 30 minutes.
     
  3. dandan08

    dandan08 New Member

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    No they said his car never left Babbling Brook Drive. They have surveillance camera's at either end of the street to know this. Not directly outside his house.
     
  4. greenpalm

    greenpalm I don't say much unless I've really thought it thr

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    Surely they were protecting the investigation. They did not have a warrant on the 5th when they stayed 30 minutes. Even if they strongly suspected him, they could only do what he or mom agreed to do that day. My thought is they deliberately went in without a warrant so they didn't let on how MUCH they suspected him.

    I think given the report of the missing tarp, they may have had enough for a search warrant, but elected not to get one, so as to play the "routine check" card.

    Those who know more about search warrants: did they have enough for a judge to give a search warrant on July 5th?
     
  5. skibaboo

    skibaboo Mrs Map

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    The 5pm stuck in my mind too so it must have been mentioned. At the time it was early in the investigation (from memory) and there was so many rumours and details it's difficult to pinpoint what was said exactly without reference, and as you know we searched a lot for that reference with no success. That is what leads me to believe it was either 1, an unverified local with rumour, and was deleted or 2. It was MSM that was quickly pulled.

    Re the cars, I think you are right and I think they/or one are significant and we will know why pretty soonish. All MOO.
     
  6. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the box for sure.

    I was wondering if perhaps this is the kind of neighborhood where many people ( before this happened) leave their keys in their cars and their cars unlocked?

    he was known to walk the streets day and night. He would know this. He could have went the back way... Behind his house.

    A little strange he didn't use his own car, considering the mountain of evidence he left behind all over Alanna.
     
  7. Midwestmama78

    Midwestmama78 New Member

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    Good point.
     
  8. manzana

    manzana Inactive

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    With all due respect, a simple glance at mom's FB would have revealed gun photos as well as a family member with an AR-15.

    Why on earth would LE arrive there yesterday so lackadaisical, even possibly warning neighbors in advance, (if true) who could have then warned the suspect.
     
  9. GingerzMomma

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    I also agree. Here's why, and some other thoughts I've been chewing since last night:

    1. one camera (the one pics were released from, at least as much as we've figured out here), is from the house north of TH & AG; the other is on the south end of same street; since she went to and last seen at house in-between, I think it's unlikely she is on either of these videos

    2. in so far as whether LE is, essentially, playing games w/ some of the info (for example, whether they are concealing TH death, was he really shot in chin, do they really think there is 2nd party/accomplice)........

    I'll admit that there have been times in the past few weeks I thought LE were clueless, not allowing public to help, and this was going cold. Thank God I was SO wrong. But really, the only times they've "played" is by simply withholding info. It seems like everything they HAVE shared - whether via Ing's statements or what MSM has reported - has been pretty accurate.

    Therefore, I absolutely believe they are looking for "at least one more" (as NBC5 reported last night) suspect. Saying "at least one more" and knowing there are two different suspicious vehicles makes me wonder if there aren't still two people with some involvement in this, whether they knew it at the time or not (but if they didn't know it at the time, I'd think they realized shortly thereafter?).

    I think TH probably was shot in the chin. Let's keep in mind these guys & gals were there to arrest & search - not execute - and they are trained to do so. (Yeah, it was in the HEAD - maybe an officer off to the side?). I furthermore believe (unfortunately) that he is still alive. The only good that can come from that (IMO) is he starts talking and turns over whoever helped him.

    Anyway, all of this just to say that I have to hand it to LE on this one, and I therefore absolutely believe the search for more suspects/accomplices/whatever is absolutely legit. They might withhold info to keep an advantage in solving this, but I think what they are putting out is legit.

    (Well, w/ the exception of "Saginaw & surrounding communities perfectly safe", but I'll give them a pass on that very early statement because I don't think they may have fully realized what this was going to become at the time).
     
  10. Magdalyn

    Magdalyn New Member

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    Hmmm. I think it could go either way. I think they may have applied for a search warrant and were told by a judge, "You need more than a big waistline, that he's creepy to the neighbors and he has pets with hair and used to have a tarp in his backyard." So they went to TH and played the "we're just swabbing everyone to rule things out" route.

    But I could see them knowing (on their own, or with FBI and Rangers' guidance) they should have more before they go to a judge, and that there are things they can often get with simple cooperation.

    So, to conclude, I'm :fence: and clearly no help in causing you to lean one way or the other!

    I just remembered (after re-reading that affidavit) that the officer who filed the report was VERY aware of his surroundings and well done on listening to his instincts to take specific notice of TH (that he was standing across the street staring at Alanna's house).
     
  11. margarita25

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    It seems to me LE could have more safely apprehended the suspect by surprising him.
     
  12. margarita25

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    It's idiots like this guy who give medical marijuana a bad name. JMO.
     
  13. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Hence the cars they want info on.

    If they searched without an actual warrant anything discovered would be inadmissible.

    No. It doesn't appear the videos show his actual home.

    That not correct. Legally speaking they could not, without permission or a warrant. Strategically speaking it would be folly to tip their hand before DNA results came back by asking permission to search: "No and now I know for sure u are looking at me (or my son) so I'm going to hide evidence."

    I do not believe so.
     
  14. HMSHood

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    Strange turn of events with a police officer shot by the suspect, Tyler Holder. Another strange aspect is that there could be a second suspect in the murder of Alanna Gallagher.
     
  15. manzana

    manzana Inactive

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    Not if mom gave permission, not exactly sure what is meant here, (would be I admissible)

    But everything I posted was assuming they either had a warrant or permission.
     
  16. SCHMAE

    SCHMAE Well-Known Member

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    Right ! I have no problem with folks smoking weed. I don't myself but I don't care if people do and I think it should be legalized. But that he has nothing to do except smoke indicates a total loser. If you sit home all day alone smoking weed and taking pics of you smoking weed then you're kind of a lame excuse for a person. If he had pics of friends and places he's visited and things he's done and family and friends and his new bike he saved up for and ONE pic of him smoking weed, I think we would all feel a little different. Dude's got no life but weed it seems.
     
  17. Magdalyn

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    Did anyone answer this for you? It is Monday. The same day Alanna was killed. And IIRC, it was picked up late (afternoon, not morning) in the area her body was left.
     
  18. GingerzMomma

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    I certainly don't think he (or the neighbor, I don't believe her interview but that's another post) was warned. It's reported that he rarely left the house the past few weeks (apparently only to attend vigils and promote a neighborhood watch). Other than waiting for him to come out and then pounce on him, how else were they going to serve a warrant?

    More likely he's been knowing this was coming since he submitted to the buccal swab and acted out another one of his F'd up fantasies. From what I've read he started shooting within seconds of answering the door: this wasn't a reaction to anything - he planned to do this from the beginning and just like poor AG, was only waiting for that opportunity of a few seconds to do so.
     
  19. Midwestmama78

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    TH, being dumb as a post, might have friends who are just as dumb and therefore easily duped into helping him dispose of poor Alanna, being led to believe there was nothing sinister in the tarp. IMO, of course. And if I were that second person, I would not be turning myself in. I'd be hoping TH died without revealing my identity.
     
  20. Magdalyn

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    Hey, that's not fair. I think it's clear he had a significant relationship with a garden hose. :waiting:
     
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