TX - Atatiana Jefferson, fatally shot by police through her window, bodycam, Fort Worth, 12 Oct 2019

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  1. WichitaFalls

    WichitaFalls Well-Known Member

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    So much collateral damage . . . this poor man breaks my heart. :(
    'I'm devastated,' says neighbor who called police before Atatiana Jefferson was shot, killed by officer

    FORT WORTH, Texas — James Smith never thought a simple call to police to check on his neighbor would lead to her death.

    "I am devastated," he said. "And people say, 'Well, James, it's not your fault.' But I made the call. I made the call because I thought they were going to do what I called them to do, check on my neighbor, and they didn't do that."

    More at link . . .
    'I'm devastated,' says neighbor who called police before Atatiana Jefferson was shot, killed by officer
     


  2. Gardenista

    Gardenista Well-Known Member

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    IMO, he's a disgusting opportunist.
     
  3. WichitaFalls

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    Who is Aaron Dean and what might his attempted defense be?
    DALLAS — We know that Aaron Dean was a police officer in Fort Worth for only a year and a half, that he's 35 years old and he's a 2011 UT Arlington graduate.

    Other clues to his background might have come from his Facebook page, but it has been deleted and is no longer online. Before it disappeared, however, the general public did find it and filled comment sections with death threats and other vulgar language.

    His legal team, sought through the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas, says they have no comment either. Jim Lane, who tells WFAA that he has been asked to represent Dean, also represented former Balch Springs police officer Roy Oliver. Convicted of murder, Oliver is now serving 15 years for the shooting death of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards. Edwards was a passenger in a car leaving a party back in 2017.

    As for what the former Fort Worth officer's defense might be for shooting into Atatiana Jefferson's house though a backyard window, attorney and former judge Rob Cañas agrees with the statement of Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price.

    Link . . .
    Who is Aaron Dean and what might his attempted defense be?
     
  4. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    BBM. The off duty police officer that opened fire at Costco should have been treated like any regular citizen who would open fire at Costco. It is not only about Mr. French or his mother (or father), it is also about endangering the customers at Costco.

    This article Are Cops Properly Trained To Deal With People With Disabilities?

    Raises reasonable questions...

    Seems that this group, developmentally disabled, are a huge risk group everywhere. And even the wrongful death settlements might be lower in these cases.

    Swedish court acquits police who killed man with Down's syndrome
     
  5. CrimeDawg123

    CrimeDawg123 Well-Known Member

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    His defense? Why, he was in fear for his life, of course! /s
     
  6. Hraefn

    Hraefn Verified Attorney

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    Right. We all have the script memorized at this point.
     
  7. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    I feel very sorry for him, as well as for Atatiana’s nephew.
     
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    Manny Ramirez, the president of the Fort Worth Police Officers Association, said that police officers approach open structure calls prepared for any number of situations: a burglar in the house, doors left open by residents, abandonment. Still, Officer Ramirez said that everyone he had spoken to within the department was dumbfounded as to why Mr. Dean opened fire.

    “He’s such a young officer, not in age, but just young in tenure,” Officer Ramirez said. “It’s one of those things where we’re all at a loss and there’s no way to explain it. We can’t understand how this happened.”

    [...]

    Police response protocols vary, but Officer Steve Grammas, the president of the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, said that in most cases a call from someone concerned about a neighbor not answering the phone would most likely result in a door-knock from officers. If someone called about two doors open in the middle of the night, however, officers might immediately consider that the house was being burglarized, Officer Grammas said.

    “It’s definitely more than just, ‘I’ll go see if the homeowners are O.K.,” he said. “You’re thinking maybe a break-in, maybe worse.” The calls that result in an open structure dispatch may sound similar to those that result in a welfare check, but the classification matters, Officer Grammas said. “They’re two different frames of mind for the officer,” he said.

    ‘No Excuse’: Fellow Officers Condemn Police Shooting of Fort Worth Woman
     
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  10. Charlot123

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    A very good article

    Police Should Not Be Able to Use ‘Split-Second Decision’ Defense When They Create the Crisis | National Review

    If you push links, you can see Atatiana’s, Philando Castile’s and Daniel Shaver’s murders . (A couple of more, too). I forgot about Shaver’s video. Who in his right mind can understand, much less follow, hysterical, senseless instructions of that armed cop? (Shaver was a pest exterminator who had a pellet gun for pests...).

    ETA: from the article:

    "There is no greater violation of liberty than the loss of your own life in your own home at the hands of misguided, panicky, or poorly trained agents of the state. Absent compelling evidence not yet revealed to the public, it appears that the man who killed Atatiana Jefferson committed a criminal act. He deserves to face criminal justice."

    from another article by the same author.

    "Moreover, this (McCoy's) incident helped illustrate why police kill too many Americans: Their poor tactics and unwise choices place burdens on troubled, impaired, or confused civilians that can make tragedy inevitable."
     
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  11. wary

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    Is that Texas law? In the cases I’ve heard of, a self-defense claim has to pass the ‘what a reasonable person would think’ test.
     
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    I think any reasonable person might be scared of the unknown/unclear situation. The neighbor said it was not typical, and was obviously scared to check himself. The dispatcher said it was an open structure situation. Could have been a robbery. So the fear, I understand.

    However, they could have called a SWAT team, or asked their boss for an advice. Or asked the dispatcher for the cell phone number of the house owner to give her a call. Or maybe, they could walk back to their cars and switch on the lights. Instead, they made the wrong decision, to prowl around, and the owner paid with her life for it.
     
  13. nrdsb4

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    The problem is he doesn't necessarily give a flying flip about the truth. The Sherita Dixon-Cole incident is an example. He and Shaun King went in guns blazing "to make public" an act by a police officer that never happened. He didn't bother to do the required due diligence before he and King went national, accusing an officer by name with a false accusation that sounded like something out of Penthouse magazine. He almost ruined a man's life. Another officer with the same last name also received death threats. Merritt did eventually publicly apologize for his role in the fiasco, Shaun King sort of apologized (though I don't know if either apologized directly to the officer involved, who received death threats and will forever be tied to the false, salacious account of a sexual assault thanks to the internet). Sherita Dixon-Cole accuses Merritt of lying about being her attorney, insisting she neither hired him nor asked him to speak for her.

    The whole thing was disgusting and I haven't believed a word either man says without outside validation ever since.
     
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    Atatiana Onsite Jefferson Home Going Service Locations for Both Services Potter’s House of Dallas 6777 W. Kiest Blvd Dallas, TX 75236 Wake: Friday, October 18, 2019 @ 7pm Funeral: Saturday, October 19, 2019 @ 2pm (Open to Public)


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  15. Medstudies

    Medstudies Peace out sleuths.

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    Well apparently the chief, mayor, and majority feel otherwise. We’ll see soon about the jury and judge
     
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  17. Medstudies

    Medstudies Peace out sleuths.

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    (My emphasis )

    So true! Besides it’s a slippery slope: Next thing we know LE will be shoving suspects off roofs and then tasing them.

    Oh wait this just happened...

    Btw: thanks for your comment!
     
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    Defense attorney Jim Lane has not commented on Dean's arrest.

    Merritt, the attorney for Jefferson's family, that her funeral will be open to the public. It will take place on Saturday, Oct. 19 at 2 p.m.

    A wake will be held for Jefferson on Friday, Oct. 18 at 7 p.m.

    Both services will be at The Potter's House of Dallas, Merritt said. It is located at 6777 W. Kiest Blvd in Dallas.
    Funeral plans announced for Atatiana Jefferson
     
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