TX - Chad Read 54, shot/killed by ex's bf, Kyle Carruth, in custody dispute, Lubbock, 5 Nov 2021

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  1. MollyDDD

    MollyDDD Well-Known Member

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    Well, when you know you have a weak case, no lawyer is above a** kissing. I
     
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  2. MollyDDD

    MollyDDD Well-Known Member

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    If I’m not mistaken, when viewing that video that was posted on here a couple of days ago, the lawyer guy said that none of that matters. Not the words, or the posturing between the men prior to the shooting or even the fact that Kyle could have stayed in the house and called 911 to avoid any further conflict. What it comes down to is that window of time and distance when Kyle decided to pull the trigger twice. IMO
     
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    MollyDDD Well-Known Member

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    And there’s always, what looks to be a door bell camera on the house too. IMO
     
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    MollyDDD Well-Known Member

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    And to me, him firing that shot in the floor seemed more like anger than fear. He was peeved off because Chad wouldn’t listen to him. IMO
     
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    Or peeved that Chad reached for the gun. Not sure which is the reason.
     
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    worm Well-Known Member

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    In most states I would guess this shot to be a crime. I don’t know how pointing and presenting a firearm is looked at there.
     
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  7. MollyDDD

    MollyDDD Well-Known Member

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    Sure! Kyle was intimidated by Chad’s bravado and that just made Kyle more furious. Ya can’t kill somebody just because you don’t like them, Kyle. He wasn’t in fear for his life, he wasn’t protecting himself or anyone else from Chad.
    He used his weapon merely as intimidation and when he discovered it didn’t intimidate Chad, he killed him! IMO
     
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  8. MollyDDD

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    Exacalackalacally! Mr.Read was a responsible father and would not be “packing heat” when he was planning on an outing with his children. Sure can’t say the same for Kyle, he had his weapon just ready waiting for an opportunity to use it. Heck, he didn’t even care if he shot someone inside the house when he aimed right at it. IMO
     
  9. TrustedTracker5097

    TrustedTracker5097 Well-Known Member

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    It’s something people don’t seem to understand. Guns aren’t magical talismans that ward off evil. Sure brandishing them may occasionally get somebody to change their behavior, but you’ll occasionally get that person who calls your bluff. Idk what was going through Chad’s head, but he was clearly angry or brave enough to advance on an armed person.
     
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    TrustedTracker5097 Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn’t say getting into fights with and threatening people who are armed is very responsible. As I said before, Chad is likely a victim here, but that doesn’t make him a morally pure individual. There needs to be a distinction there.
     
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    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Agree. Texas indicts by a grand jury, and Texas also has their own version of the Castle Doctrine. At this time, I think it's a matter of wait and see -- especially since the record has been sealed.

    The Castle Doctrine: Understanding Self-Defense in Texas
     
  14. MollyDDD

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    No one is morally pure and I don’t know either of these two men personally. Chad did not go there looking for a fight. His being upset that his ex-wife failed to comply with a court order is justifiable, especially if she had interfered with visits in the past. And then Kyle coming out with a gun was just the icing on the cake! It’s odd really, Christina standing off to the side, video taping and not saying much. Almost feels like a set up. IMO
     
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    It seems to me that in order to claim self defense, the shooter would need justification for expecting the dead guy to leave when told to do so. The issue with expecting the dead guy to leave IMO is that he was there to pick up his kid. It’s not like he just randomly showed up for no reason and refused to leave. Then the shooter escalates the entire situation by going inside for a gun. Why? The dead guy had no weapon and had made no threats at that point.

    I don’t know exactly how the murder vs manslaughter statutes read for Texas, but just from watching the video, it doesn’t feel like the shooter was entirely justified given the totality of circumstances.
     
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    This feels like murder to me

    MOO
     
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    2nd degree or manslaughter at the least. I’m hopeful that they get some prior communications from the couple to maybe see if this was planned or something. It just seems that if LE don’t pursue this, they are saying that weapons are welcome in any conflict as long as was is near home or their vehicle.
     
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  18. TwoLea

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    Yes and I believe the moment the shooter is smiling when they're centimeters apart is when he finally tells Mr. Read that his son isn't here / I don't have your son.

    Mr. Read's body language is of a person waiting for someone.
     
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    CR knew his son wasn't there within the first 15 seconds of the video. Maybe even before that, since we aren't sure if we have the video from the start or if it's been edited.

    Here's a link to the video so you can watch it

    https://twitter.com/RyanChandler98/status/1463654744803713029?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
     
  20. TrustedTracker5097

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    Do we have any solid proof of where the son was during this event other than what was said in the video? Just wondering.
     

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