Match! TX - Dallas, WhtMale UP2192, 30-50, tattoos, Feb'08 *Troy Kozkowski*

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  1. mayqueen

    mayqueen Member

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    Great job, Carl! I'm confident that this UID is Troy.

    (I think it was you who said in another thread that the height can be plus or minus 3 inches - so I always keep that in mind when trying to match UIDs.)
     


  2. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    I think the record for a match from WS height discrepancy was a full 4". that was snuf, right?
     
  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't think you can make a set rule based on this situation. It was an intact body, so they should have gotten the UID's height right. For skeletal remains, I would think a 3 inch margin on both sides should be sufficient.

    In this case, I think someone just screwed up (either on the MP side or the UID side). You can't set a rule to use in future situations based on the possibility that someone screwed up. A screw-up can be by any amount.

    But It's not unusual for a family member not to know exactly how tall the MP is. I've seen plenty of height discrepancies that I prefer not to even set a height parameter on my screen. I end up with more possibles to review, but I'm less likely to miss an obvious match like this one.

    With Snufamonboball's match of Robert Donlick to the NYC Ferryboat jumper, there was a 4-inch height discrepancy.


    ETA: Here's a perfect example of what I was talking about. Just this morning, I saw a new MP casefile in NamUs:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/12707/25

    He is listed as 55-60 inches (which computes to 4'7" to 5'0"). That is clearly incorrect. In his photo he is standing in front of a guardrail, the top of which is below his waistline. They probably meant 5'5" to 6'0" (which would compute to 65-72 inches). I kicked off an e-mail to the NamUs case manager suggesting that she double-check the info.
     
  4. Wondergirl

    Wondergirl Well-Known Member

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    Wow, Carl, incredible work. That is amazing.
     
  5. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    BBM. Excellent, Carl! I'm not only excited about the match (and I have no doubts this is a match), I'm really happy to hear Lt. Cuevas' complimentary words on NamUs. Fantastic that you were able to educate another LEO on the benefits of NamUs!

    I'm also sorry to hear about the victims troubles with drugs.

    Prayers for the family as they await identification.
     
  6. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    :bump:

    Any news on this match yet Carl? I wonder if the dentals were sent electronically, overnight or snail mail.
     
  7. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Nothing yet. But I've been watching. Both the MP and the UID cases are still active in NamUs.

    Many of these offices don't have a Forensic Odontologist on their full-time staff sitting around waiting for something to do. Many FO's are full-time dentists who have to be called for forensic work in when it is needed. So I am speculating that there might be a few days of delay to set an appointment with a FO.
     
  8. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    :bump:

    MP and UID links are still showing active at NamUs.

    I wonder what the hold up is, it will be two weeks tomorrow.
    Hoping to get some updated news on this match soon.
     
  9. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I'll give it another week, and call them back if I don't hear anything by then. I don't want to start badgering them too soon for fear that I might sound like the little kid in the back seat on a long road-trip whining "are we there yet?".
     
  10. Angie4b1g

    Angie4b1g Member

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    Great job, Carl. Just goes to prove that even with both cases in there, we can leave no stone unturned, as even obvious matches can be sitting side by side in the database unnoticed. Hopefully official word comes down soon!
     
  11. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    :bump: Bumping to get this back to the first page. Hoping to hear some news this week as we're approaching the three week mark since this (possible) match has been submitted.
     
  12. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I just spoke with Lt. Tony Cuevas of the Michigan state police. He just received notification that a positive ID has been made based on dentals, and Troy's mother has been notified.

    He asked me for my address and said that he is going to send a formal letter of gratitude for calling in the tip.

    I also advised him that the MP and UID NamUs files are still open, and suggested that he contact NamUs to close them.
     
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  13. believe09

    believe09 Active Member

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    RIP Troy. Thank you for continuing all of your work on behalf of the John and Jane Does of the world, Carl.
     
  14. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    :bow: Carl, thank you so much! You are a hero!
     
  15. Angie4b1g

    Angie4b1g Member

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    Yay! RIP, Troy.
     
  16. TexasCharm

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    Awesome. WTG Carl!
     
  17. ctaylor

    ctaylor Active Member

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    Well done Carl, you have done a great job for Troy and his family
     
  18. justbeachy

    justbeachy Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Great job!

    RIP Troy.
     
  19. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    Fantastic job Carl! I ditto what believe' said, thank you soo much for your countless hours on behalf of the missing and unidentified. And your teaching us so well, you're a terrific asset to those of us sleuthing the missing and uid's. :blowkiss:

    Sleep peacefully, Troy. Prayers said for his mother, family, friends and all who knew and loved him.
     
  20. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    Great job Carl!!!!!
     

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