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arielilane said:
Did Liz have an enemy, (whether aware or unaware of this person) there was someone hostile toward her with deep deep resentment/hate and wanted to pose harm? Maybe someone wanted her out of the way? Is the killer the person that wanted her dead or is the killer following someone else's instructions?

Does the crime scene appeared to have the characteristics of a disorganized homicide?

Did the killer what a trophy of their killing … designed to ridicule Liz- a show of their good work? We know about there being a gunshot fired into Liz's place of employment. Did the killer know about the garage sale, and take that as another opportunity to commit heinous senseless act of homicide against Liz Barraza at Liz’s home - where she’d be found brutally wounded and dead from those wounds? Liz’s murder appeared to be personal and an overkill.

I don’t see this as being stranger homicide - aren’t they rare? In addition, women are more likely to be killed by a man known to them, a family member, friend or intimate partner than a stranger.

Killer: deep profound hatred for self and their own life, drug and alcohol use prior to crime, and (probably used more after the murder), mentally ill, noncommitted relationship, unable to keep employment, issues with social skills and below average in intelligence.


Speculation. moo. no facts.
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Yes, I am responding to my own post. What do we know about Liz Barraza? Why would someone want her dead? What would have been the motive? Who had a motive, because everything I’ve seen or read about Liz said she had no enemies. Matter of fact, Liz devoted her time to charity, she helped kids in hospitals, and volunteered for community events.

So this brings it back to my earlier (bbm) post: It’s more likely a family, friend or intimate partner than a stranger… to put it simply, those closest to Liz? Have anyone closest to Liz (in her immediate circle of people) been looked at throughly?

imo. speculation by an amateur. moo.

 
Got to thinking ... and I believe it's been mentioned before that Cedar Walk to Lowe's 20902 Kuykendahl Road is about a 14 min drive.

Turn right onto Oconee Dr
Turn left onto Princeton Pl
Turn right onto Kuykendahl Rd
Turn left onto FM-2920
Turn right and the destination is on the left


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Liz Barraza gave freely a tremendous amount of her own time volunteering to help others. In death, she made no exception. Liz was truly a kind and loving person who one day will get the justice she rightfully deserves. imo


Timeline

01/29/2019 = Tuesday
  • Early Morning [Approximately 03:00 AM] The Transplant team comes to take Elizabeth down for donation. Her Parents, Brother, Sister-in-Law, Sergio, his mother Margarita, and members of the immediate family walk with her down the hallway to the elevator. Her generosity saved 4 lives, and gave 1 other the gift of sight.
 
arielilane said:
Liz Barraza gave freely a tremendous amount of her own time volunteering to help others. In death, she made no exception. Liz was truly a kind and loving person who one day will get the justice she rightfully deserves. imo


Timeline

01/29/2019 = Tuesday
  • Early Morning [Approximately 03:00 AM] The Transplant team comes to take Elizabeth down for donation. Her Parents, Brother, Sister-in-Law, Sergio, his mother Margarita, and members of the immediate family walk with her down the hallway to the elevator. Her generosity saved 4 lives, and gave 1 other the gift of sight.
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Impressive and very sad.

SB's father is missing ....
 
“Her Parents, Brother, Sister-in-Law, Sergio, his mother Margarita, and members of the immediate family walk with her down the hallway to the elevator. Her generosity saved 4 lives, and gave 1 other the gift of sight.”

Maybe meant missing from this group… ?
 
A couple things caught my attention from re-reading the timeline again on Liz's parents site. (Thanks for the link @arielilane !)

First, I've heard conflicting statements on the timing of the placement of the yard sale signs. The fact that this official timeline indicates that they were up on Thursday night finally settles that for me :)

Next, this level of precaution and rapid response by her parents (and Sergio) is curious to me:
  • Early Morning [07:19:45 AM] Harris County Precinct 4 Constables enter the house to clear and secure the home. This set off the alarm that Liz had set to instantly trigger if a door was opened. She had the door inside the garage unlocked for her safety, as a precaution.
  • Early Morning [Unknown] Liz’s parents are notified by her alarm company that the alarm has been triggered and they cannot reach Liz. We left immediately for her home
  • Early Morning [07:37 AM] Rosemary and Bob Nuelle arrive on scene minutes after her transport by Life Flight.
So not only do Liz and Sergio have an alarm, but it's a monitored alarm, with her parents listed as contacts, which Liz activated while at home - for her safety, and within 18 minutes of it going off, her parents have arrived at her house to check on her.

I don't recall how far away they live, but even if it's just a few minutes that is a surprisingly urgent response to an alarm when there are so many mundane explanations for why it might have gone off and why she wouldn't be reachable for a few minutes. Within that 18 minutes is Liz's alarm company getting the alert, trying to reach liz, failing (how many attempts?) and then reaching out to her parents. And I would assume the first thing they would do would be to try to reach her themselves (I believe this has been stated in interviews) and then after some amount of failed attempts, getting in the car.

I haven't gotten the impression this is a dangerous neighborhood.. this just reinforces my suspicion that Liz's murder seems more 'out of the blue' to us than maybe it does to people closest to the situation. There's just a level of worry (and in this instance, justified) that wouldn't seem warranted from what we know about events and a relatively peaceful life leading up to her murder.

I'm just thinking - how long would I wait to get a response from my adult daughter before assuming something catastrophic was going on and rushing to her house (is she in the bathroom? dealing with a customer? moving some stuff? bringing the dog out to potty?.. etc.. etc..)... and that number is more than 15 minutes.. what would bring the number down for me would be some lingering background tension/wariness/suspicion of danger.. even if mild, that would put me on extra alert.

I'm not sure Liz's parents and Sergio would be at liberty to say what the source of that suspicion/wariness might be to the public, or even if that sense of danger existed - especially if the root of said danger is who many of us suspect, but its just another question in my mind...

Anyway I hope this doesn't come across with any hint of victim blaming or anything of the sort - it's just a suspicion that there may be some risks/people that the family was worried about that they are justifiably not at liberty to discuss.

All very much MOO.
 
KindMind1ofA said:
A couple things caught my attention from re-reading the timeline again on Liz's parents site. (Thanks for the link @arielilane !)

First, I've heard conflicting statements on the timing of the placement of the yard sale signs. The fact that this official timeline indicates that they were up on Thursday night finally settles that for me :)

Next, this level of precaution and rapid response by her parents (and Sergio) is curious to me:
  • Early Morning [07:19:45 AM] Harris County Precinct 4 Constables enter the house to clear and secure the home. This set off the alarm that Liz had set to instantly trigger if a door was opened. She had the door inside the garage unlocked for her safety, as a precaution.
  • Early Morning [Unknown] Liz’s parents are notified by her alarm company that the alarm has been triggered and they cannot reach Liz. We left immediately for her home
  • Early Morning [07:37 AM] Rosemary and Bob Nuelle arrive on scene minutes after her transport by Life Flight.
So not only do Liz and Sergio have an alarm, but it's a monitored alarm, with her parents listed as contacts, which Liz activated while at home - for her safety, and within 18 minutes of it going off, her parents have arrived at her house to check on her.

I don't recall how far away they live, but even if it's just a few minutes that is a surprisingly urgent response to an alarm when there are so many mundane explanations for why it might have gone off and why she wouldn't be reachable for a few minutes. Within that 18 minutes is Liz's alarm company getting the alert, trying to reach liz, failing (how many attempts?) and then reaching out to her parents. And I would assume the first thing they would do would be to try to reach her themselves (I believe this has been stated in interviews) and then after some amount of failed attempts, getting in the car.

I haven't gotten the impression this is a dangerous neighborhood.. this just reinforces my suspicion that Liz's murder seems more 'out of the blue' to us than maybe it does to people closest to the situation. There's just a level of worry (and in this instance, justified) that wouldn't seem warranted from what we know about events and a relatively peaceful life leading up to her murder.

I'm just thinking - how long would I wait to get a response from my adult daughter before assuming something catastrophic was going on and rushing to her house (is she in the bathroom? dealing with a customer? moving some stuff? bringing the dog out to potty?.. etc.. etc..)... and that number is more than 15 minutes.. what would bring the number down for me would be some lingering background tension/wariness/suspicion of danger.. even if mild, that would put me on extra alert.

I'm not sure Liz's parents and Sergio would be at liberty to say what the source of that suspicion/wariness might be to the public, or even if that sense of danger existed - especially if the root of said danger is who many of us suspect, but its just another question in my mind...

Anyway I hope this doesn't come across with any hint of victim blaming or anything of the sort - it's just a suspicion that there may be some risks/people that the family was worried about that they are justifiably not at liberty to discuss.

All very much MOO.
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All this and then some! You’ve characterized for me one of the things that’s been bothering me about this case that I just hadn’t completely formulated into a cogent thought until now.

Yes. They had an alarm. Yes, Liz set it that morning. But, it was a monitored alarm, and her parents responded like the cavalry. Why?
 
KindMind1ofA said:
A couple things caught my attention from re-reading the timeline again on Liz's parents site. (Thanks for the link @arielilane !)

First, I've heard conflicting statements on the timing of the placement of the yard sale signs. The fact that this official timeline indicates that they were up on Thursday night finally settles that for me :)

Next, this level of precaution and rapid response by her parents (and Sergio) is curious to me:
  • Early Morning [07:19:45 AM] Harris County Precinct 4 Constables enter the house to clear and secure the home. This set off the alarm that Liz had set to instantly trigger if a door was opened. She had the door inside the garage unlocked for her safety, as a precaution.
  • Early Morning [Unknown] Liz’s parents are notified by her alarm company that the alarm has been triggered and they cannot reach Liz. We left immediately for her home
  • Early Morning [07:37 AM] Rosemary and Bob Nuelle arrive on scene minutes after her transport by Life Flight.
So not only do Liz and Sergio have an alarm, but it's a monitored alarm, with her parents listed as contacts, which Liz activated while at home - for her safety, and within 18 minutes of it going off, her parents have arrived at her house to check on her.

I don't recall how far away they live, but even if it's just a few minutes that is a surprisingly urgent response to an alarm when there are so many mundane explanations for why it might have gone off and why she wouldn't be reachable for a few minutes. Within that 18 minutes is Liz's alarm company getting the alert, trying to reach liz, failing (how many attempts?) and then reaching out to her parents. And I would assume the first thing they would do would be to try to reach her themselves (I believe this has been stated in interviews) and then after some amount of failed attempts, getting in the car.

I haven't gotten the impression this is a dangerous neighborhood.. this just reinforces my suspicion that Liz's murder seems more 'out of the blue' to us than maybe it does to people closest to the situation. There's just a level of worry (and in this instance, justified) that wouldn't seem warranted from what we know about events and a relatively peaceful life leading up to her murder.

I'm just thinking - how long would I wait to get a response from my adult daughter before assuming something catastrophic was going on and rushing to her house (is she in the bathroom? dealing with a customer? moving some stuff? bringing the dog out to potty?.. etc.. etc..)... and that number is more than 15 minutes.. what would bring the number down for me would be some lingering background tension/wariness/suspicion of danger.. even if mild, that would put me on extra alert.

I'm not sure Liz's parents and Sergio would be at liberty to say what the source of that suspicion/wariness might be to the public, or even if that sense of danger existed - especially if the root of said danger is who many of us suspect, but its just another question in my mind...

Anyway I hope this doesn't come across with any hint of victim blaming or anything of the sort - it's just a suspicion that there may be some risks/people that the family was worried about that they are justifiably not at liberty to discuss.

All very much MOO.
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Thank you, @KindMind1ofA for an articulate post! :) You said everything I've been thinking for a while- however, ...
fridaybaker said:
All this and then some! You’ve characterized for me one of the things that’s been bothering me about this case that I just hadn’t completely formulated into a cogent thought until now.

Yes. They had an alarm. Yes, Liz set it that morning. But, it was a monitored alarm, and her parents responded like the cavalry. Why?
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and I agree with both you and @fridaybaker, and it's been on my mind for a really long time. I let it go because if there was any initial fear for Liz's safety why have the garage sale to begin with? Liz's mom said in an interview video "they" didn't need the money. moo
 
fridaybaker said:
All this and then some! You’ve characterized for me one of the things that’s been bothering me about this case that I just hadn’t completely formulated into a cogent thought until now.

Yes. They had an alarm. Yes, Liz set it that morning. But, it was a monitored alarm, and her parents responded like the cavalry. Why?
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There was the apartment robbery, and gunshot being fired at Liz's place of employment... but again, why take a chance and have a garage sale with Liz, at dusk on the driveway alone? I suspect, no one in a million years, expected a coward to do what the coward did. moo
 
Maybe I’m a big baby, but I would never be out by myself at such an early hour. I do see many, many women out and about though, running, jogging, etc., by themselves in the wee hours, often when the sun isn’t yet up. Now, if I’d been robbed and had someone shoot into my workplace, there’s absolutely no way.

So, maybe it was those things that put everyone on edge. Liz isn’t as big of a baby as I am, though, so instead of staying inside until the entire neighborhood is out and about, like I’d do, she (and her parents) decided to just take a few extra measures.

Still, though: I’d be feeling very vulnerable in that position.
 
arielilane said:
There was the apartment robbery, and gunshot being fired at Liz's place of employment... but again, why take a chance and have a garage sale with Liz, at dusk on the driveway alone? I suspect, no one in a million years, expected a coward to do what the coward did. moo
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It seems, as if the home had to be protected against an intruder, not a person (= Liz) had to be protected, although this person being just outside in the open. Did Liz have fear, that someone would sneak into her home, behind her back??
 
Ajs1004 said:
They lived less than 10 miles away, if I remember correctly.
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So that is interesting. I just mapped her parents address (in 2019) to cedar walk dr. It's 9.7 miles with a current drive estimate of 25 minutes (a few minutes of traffic is playing into that). So for there to be only 18 minutes between the alarm going off and their arrival at the scene - it means not only did her parents get in the car immediately, they really hustled from there... to me that implies they were *very* worried something was wrong.

All MOO.
 
IIRC the alarm company first attempted Liz, Sergio, then her parents when neither Liz nor Sergio responded. Then when Liz's parents were reached they attempted contacting Liz, couldn't reach her, I can't remember if they attempted to reach Sergio or not.

As an overly worried parent, I would be worried and calling the entire way to my child's house with my concern growing for each unanswered call, especially if they were typically reachable. Perhaps Liz was the sort to always have her phone by her side and quickly respond to texts/ phone calls.
 
arielilane said:
There was the apartment robbery, and gunshot being fired at Liz's place of employment... but again, why take a chance and have a garage sale with Liz, at * dusk dawn on the driveway alone? I suspect, no one in a million years, expected a coward to do what the coward did. moo
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Correction
* dawn rather than dusk
 
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