TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris County, Jan 2019

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  1. LunaticFringe

    LunaticFringe I know you're out there...

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    It's Texas.I bet a lot of women can shoot you dead with their eyes closed.
     


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    They spoke about the vehicle entering the neighborhood in the news conference yesterday. They stated around the time it entered the neighborhood and left if I’m not mistaken.
     
  4. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    I am thinking like you in reading of different murder scenarios.
    These events are happening everywhere, in so many different situations.
    Perhaps stay indoors.
    Those with dogs, only walk in your neighbourhood and don't speak to others.
    I guess, many like me, will become loners.
    MOO.
     
  5. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I does look like the murder shows the victim something with her right hand, then appears to shoot with the left?

    In regards to the object being an address type decoy, the victim appears to startle when shown the paper or object. Likewise, she did not lean closer to study the address, read the instructions etc.

    Thus, I am thinking that presenting the paper or object served as the justification for the attack. Could there have been a custody dispute or a property dispute- something involving paperwork?

    Possibly, but I think most obsessive "issue" murderers go though a build up where they increasingly confront other people regarding real or perceived violations of their issue.

    For example, confronting others about zoning violations via garage sales or signs, repeated calls to city officials demanding enforcement, took down signs in the past etc.
    I would go for work over cosplay as a work dispute is more likely to generate intense emotions (termination, missed promotion, suspected affair etc).

    Though cosplay has the potential of an unhinged person blurring reality and fantasy, or a jilted player, the victim's genre appears to be very family friendly.

    For example, no bondage, domination / control or say, evil ultra ego role play, no apparent cult like group, no ponzi like schemes regarding members / club dues etc. All of this seems to reduce- but not eliminate, the chance of a cosplay motive.
     
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  6. TedFrank

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    I see a bust.

    [LE all over the world could practically hire me for my bust-detecting-at-long-range skills!]
     
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  8. Yellow Rose

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    I still cannot understand how LE have not captured plate numbers from any video camera in the entire neighborhood. She had to drive in and drive out
     
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  9. Cryptic

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    Though I don't know if the couple are first generation and of direct immigrant descent, or are say, multi century Texas hispanics, home ownership and home occupancy amongst some immigrant groups especially can be two very different things.

    It is not uncommon for an immigrant family to buy a home as an investment or for the occupants to be house sitters for the real owner- often an absentee relative. Likewise, the owner on record may, or may not be the true owner.

    The totality of this possibility could serve as a motive if there was a dispute among partial owners in a family, or if there was a dispute between the "true" owner and the owner of record.
     
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    It looks to me like the shooter shows her something (presumably the gun) with his/her right hand, she recoils, then possibly shows her something else in the left hand, then shoots her with the right.

    What happens exactly isn't clear, but I'm almost positive the shooter fires right handed.

    I think the shooter is a woman, I will be very surprised if it's not, and I'm not speculating on motive but the husbands statements don't sit right with me.
     
  11. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I agree with those of you who think the Perp is a female. The gait and departing run appear very female to me.

    Someone upthread suggested the Perp was showing the Victim a phone; a text or photo perhaps.
    This would line up with my theory.
    I think an arrest is imminent.

    Amateur opinion and speculation.
     
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    I was quite convinced it was a crime of passion and that the murderer was a woman. But reading the husband’ statement i agree with others that it sounds a bit off. I did wonder if the police have looked closer to home. In the timeframe would it have been possible to swap cars and drive back around?

    Sorry if this question is out of bounds. Just wondering.
     
  13. 2Hope4

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    I imagine that is true no matter what state a person lives in.
    I hope we can find those times. I saw in the Daily Mail, linked in next quote, that the truck was in the area BEFORE the husband left for work. It makes me feel that the murderer was going to kill Liz that morning! Doesn't appear to be a random act at all. Very targeted. Yet usually in those type cases, family and friends or coworkers know the person is having problems with someone else. In this case, the only things I've heard was that Liz had no known enemy. Maybe Liz didn't even realize someone was that upset with her, or her husband. Maybe whatever the grievance was, it was perceived by the murderer one way, when neither Liz or her husband knew they had upset someone. I wonder if the murderer did know about the yardsale and that Liz would be alone, outside, and so early in the morning. Obviously the murderer knew she was that morning once they got there and waited for Liz's husband to leave. But did she/he know before they got there? Seems very possible. Could a coworker have been upset that Liz got a promotion, or raise? Or maybe something small at work that seemed trivial, but to the murderer, it was perceived as huge?
    <modsnipped response to removed portion of quoted post>
    Ohhh, thanks for this post! I didn't realize any of these things, and could see where it may be a motive.
    Thank you!
     
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    In most cases, I would think it's possible and it may be in this case, but in the daily mail article, the truck was captured on someone's camera before the husband left for work, so someone was waiting on Liz to be alone so they could kill her. I don't think her husband is the shooter.
     
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    Isn't it a crime in Texas to drive a Nissan pickup in the first place?
     
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    Haaaaaahahahahahaha
     
  17. mistree73

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    Maybe the left hand gesture had to do with the one thing everyone keeps leaning towards? The ring finger? A possible affair? Either way whomever did this is a sick individual and I don’t believe for one second this was anything other than planned and very personal. IMO
     
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    Mercedes Verified Expert

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    For some reason, this reminds me of the Missy Bevers case.
     
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    In the still picture with the perp holding the gun, it looks like a woman to me. Heavier-set woman in a knee-length dress. But then when the person stands over the victim and fires the last shot and then runs away, it looks more like a man, IMO.

    Also, I wonder if the perp might have had a "lost dog" poster in their hand, as an excuse to get up close to the victim. "Excuse me, I'm looking for my dog. Can I show you a picture in case you see it?"
     
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    Do we know whether shell casings were found at the scene? If so, then it was a semi-automatic. If not, then a revolver.

    I was thinking something smaller, along the lines of a Walther PPK or PPK/S.
     
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