GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #6

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  1. sloane7777

    sloane7777 Well-Known Member

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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Manslaughter carries a possible sentence of 2-20 years. She wouldn't "walk".

    The judge is applying the law in that state. The judge has been very fair in this case.
     
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    If the jury found her guilty of manslaughter then she would be going to prison for 2 to 20 years.

    I am floored that the DA did not want this included.

    Jmo
     
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    What happened with the lesser includeds?
     
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    That's Texas.
     
  6. sloane7777

    sloane7777 Well-Known Member

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    manslaughter is on the table!
     
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    I don't think that. They appear incredibly invested here. I do think they were being foolish. Personally, I feel they know the jury wants to convict her of something...and they were forcing their hand. They must REALLY think they wouldn't let her go of nothing. So it's murder or nothing, and they wouldn't choose nothing. It's stupid. Unless it worked, I guess. But it appears lesser charges are still included as I listen to the judge.
     
  8. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    Per you tube livestream:

    Allowing 1 hour for each side for closings.

    allowing castle doctrine

    Mistake of fact charge allowed

    Apparent danger Charge Allowed

    Self Defense


    (I believe I got this right)
     
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    Is it possible the DA talked to the family about this? Is it possible that THEY wanted murder or nothing. I know if this was my child, I would want the murderess held accountable on that charge, though I can't stand the thought of her walking.
     
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    It's a cynical opinion, but man. I understand the sentiment. That request would have serious consequences and that's suspicious.
     
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    Though appeals can be filed, once an individual is convicted, to my knowledge, there is no bond for a pending appeal. Rather, appeals are always, or near always filed “from behind bars”.

    As a side note, my general understanding is that winning any appeal in either Texas or the Federal Circuit court reviewing Texas decision is very difficult. The defendant most show “egregious” errors by the attorney or Court / juror actions that “shock the conscious”. Likewise, my general understanding is Texas appellate courts interpret those standards strictly.

    In short, claims that the jury composition was less than optimal, or even noticeably less than optimal for the defense, that permissible judgment calls by the judge repeatedly did not favor the defense, that the defense attorney was not stellar- or was even marginally competent are usually not sufficient.
     
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    What about lesser includeds? Are they allowed?
     
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    Manslaughter is included.

    A Texas criminal defense atty on ABC said she’d be eligible for straight probation if convicted of the lesser charges. Even if she gets 2 years that’s nothing imo.

    I think State is right in pushing the jury towards murder. That’s the only just conviction. State doesn’t want the jury to take an easy out with manslaughter.
     
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    Yes--manslaughter is included
     
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    How about criminally negligent homicide???
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Thank God. Sadly I don't think the state will explain it in closing.
     
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    She has to believe that deadly force had to be used immediately. Good luck with that.
     
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    I hope you're right. It was a very dangerous move.
     
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    Simply put that the photo depicts him to be the same shade of skin color as the attorneys and not the judge or the court reporter. Comment later on says it's an overhead light.
     
  20. angelainwi

    angelainwi Certified Trauma Counselor

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    What does the shade of his skin color matter?
     
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