GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #6

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  1. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    Confusing isn't it. I'm use to hearing jury instructions after closing arguments and prior to jury deliberation.
     
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    ilovewings Well-Known Member

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    The castle doctrine is troublesome: it was HIS castle, not hers- but because she thought it was her castle, the doctrine applies- i dont get it
     
  3. wyome

    wyome Well-Known Member

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    Wait, what?
     
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    Prosecutors Closing arguments: They started by saying Guyger's testimony was garbage and 99 percent of trial has been about her.
     
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    Now that I’ve heard the instructions I’m kinda checked out of this closing. It feels like a forgone conclusion.
     
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    sloane7777 Well-Known Member

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    its a common technique used to achieve making a darker person seem lighter therefore more mainstream and more likable, it is a marketing term .
     
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    722prayers Active Member

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    Your feed must be ahead of mine from CourtTV. Closing arguments haven't even started.
     
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    angelainwi Certified Trauma Counselor

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    Watching on wfaa.com they are always way ahead of CourtTV
     
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    Prosecutors: The ice cream was still frozen that Botham Jean was eating when Amber Guyger barged into his apartment and shot him dead in his own home
     
  10. MrsPC

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    This is my opinion - that this whole trial was just to appease the public. I don't think there was any real intent to convict Amber Guyger by this Prosecution.
     
  11. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Well sadly research shows that's sort of the subconscious attitude in our society. The attitude of EVERYONE regardless of ethnic background. So even black people supposedly view people with darker skin tone a different way.

    But I think that won't play out with this jury. And I don't think the state has done anything except to explain what a nice man Bo was and how valuable to society.

    I agree with you. It doesn't seem relevant here to me.

    It doesn't matter. He knew the Castle Doctrine could be considered. That was a stupid move, IMO. Talk about reckless.
     
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  12. Weki

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    Well I’m not sure it’s the prosecutors fault. It sounds like Texas law made this a forgone conclusion before this case even went to trial. The law says that if she was mistaken she’s justified.

    It’s beyond absurd. And I think that’s what rankles the most about this case. If she was a more sympathetic character it’d rankle less. But on top of the absurdity of this law, you have a defendant who comes off like a sociopath.
     
  13. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Unless they find her mistake wasn't a reasonable one.

    Example? She is on the same floor as her own apartment. Her apartment has a flower pot in front of if. Otherwise the apartments are all identical. A maintence person moved her pot in front of the door next to hers. So she entered that one instead.

    That's more reasonable.

    However, they're not only considering whether entering the wrong apartment was a reasonable mistake. They're also considering whether believing Bo Jean was an intruder and shooting him to death so quickly because she was mistaken that he was a threat, was reasonable.

    Her police training requires her to retreat and call for backup if she believes an intruder is in a building and she's alone.

    And if she had done that Bo Jean would be alive.

    So was it reasonable to depart from her training? She was still in uniform BTW.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    She did. No one else ever mentioned race or hate in this case. But her.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I hear ya. I agree she's probably sociopathic too.

    But one thing- the mistake has to be a reasonable one. Hold on to that.
     
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    Prosecution closing; "Think about it. He's (Bothum Jean) sitting on his couch eating ice cream. He's not going to throw the ice cream at her!" Fine talking about using deadly force.

    The Prosecution now highlights the absurdity of someone breaking into someone else's apartment to watch tv, eat ice cream, and smoke some weed, and rearrange furniture

    Prosecutor: She made decision outside the door. She went in commando to kill what was in there.
     
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    Found a video of Botham praying with friends. I couldn’t even get through the entire video without bringing it here to share. So timely, given the point we are in this trial.




    I live in Dallas. I rarely post and have been lurking in this case. Appreciate reading everyone’s viewpoints.
     
  18. Anicole

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    I might have gone with one of the other prosecutors to open and dig in. I'm sure he's a bulldog but he's coming across very sarcastic and condescending to me.
     
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    I don't like his style
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    After that move by the state I'm definitely considering your opinion. I hope he does well in closing. He needs to hammer on police protocol proving she wasn't reasonable in making the mistake of entering the wrong apartment and shooting the victim. He needs to make room for a finding of recklessness too, IMO.

    Let me know ya'all. I can't watch live.
     
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