GUILTY TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #7

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  1. Cindizzi

    Cindizzi Well-Known Member

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    Although I have zero sympathy for AG, I feel bad and have empathy for her Mother. I also feel bad for her friends trying to stand up for. It must be awfully stressful and nerve wracking for them.

    However...
    One witness, her friend since ninth grade Ms. Chavez was asked how did this change Amber ? And she said “ a light went out in her”. That statement chilled me to the bone.

    All I could think of is who really had their light taken away.
    JMO that was such a bad choice of words.

    Rest In Peace Botham Jean.
     


  2. blue22

    blue22 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not comparing the victim to AG. I am comparing the sincerity and impact of the testimony. A very average life (most of us lead one) can still elicit impact, because she was still part of people's worlds. No matter what she did, there were people in her world. I just don't feel the defense did right by their client.
     
  3. kaen

    kaen Trying to be a good human.

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    I understand that.
     
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  4. Curious21

    Curious21 Well-Known Member

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    Too Rare and Good hearted for this horrible, selfish world.
     
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  5. Weki

    Weki Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think it’s necessarily the defense atty’s fault. I think they have to stick to the narrative that she was justified so probably didn’t want to elicit any testimony that could even be misinterpreted as an admission of culpability. They’re taking a hard, arrogant line imo.

    As for AG, I think she’s just a basic you know what. Nothing interesting or remarkable about her - just like what you’d expect from someone who would do something like this. What I’ve learned from the defense testimony is that she was superficial, has superficial friends, and only cared about herself. We know she was obsessed with Rivera. I genuinely don’t believe there’s anything more to her. Her lack of remorse right after the shooting tells us all we need to know about her character. She’s a shell of a person. Selfish. No depth of feeling. We all know many ppl like this.
     
  6. becrietz

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    IMO I am very disheartened reading so many hurtful and demeaning comments towards AG. I believe wholeheartedly that she was wrong and that she deserves to serve jail time for taking the life of an innocent man. However I also do not believe she had malicious intent. She made a series of bad choices that led to a tragic outcome. This was not a women that murdered someone she was angry with or hurt at. Change one circumstance and this would not have happened. I get that she did not act in a way many of us believe we would have. Different people handle situations different. Does that mean they are an awful person? Botham was an amazing person from all accounts. I believe that he would not wish such hate upon AG. What good comes out of wishing she felt as alone or scared as he did? Her life is forever changed based on her actions. Bad choices that she made. As i said earlier i do believe she needs to be punished for her actions. I just do not understand the hate towards her. If this was Chris Watts or another person that took a life with malicious intent i would understand. In my opinion that is not AG.
     
  7. blue22

    blue22 Well-Known Member

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    The only thing I want is justice for the victim. I believe that she should understand how he felt in that moment. EMPATHY and understanding prevent future tragedies. She needs to know how alone he felt. She will be out some day, I assume. She needs to know exactly how her actions made him and others feel. Otherwise, I don't feel great that she won't make more tragic mistakes. The public deserves to feel safe.
     
  8. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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  9. Medstudies

    Medstudies Mostly lurking

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    The problem with AG is that she continued to blame shift and she took advantage of her position to paint herself as a victim. She received preferential treatment.

    I’m certain people would be more compassionate towards her if she had shown immediate remorse and compassion for the real victims here: Botham Jean, his family, and society: especially those of color. If she had tried to render aid would have gone a long way

    The shooting may not have been malicious but the treatment of him following was.

    Edit: thoughts/clarity
     
  10. MyBelle

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    BBM. If that is the goal, it may backfire badly with the jury. I don't believe Bo's character is all that rare. He clearly was raised in a loving environment rather than dysfunction and grew into an adult with empathy for others. His legacy will live on through the foundation his parents have established. For cops to being beacons of selfless service does require the capability of empathy. The officer who shot Justine Damond rendered aid to her immediately and had a flood of supporters come forward talking out his selfless service to his Somali community in Minneapolis. He got 12.5 years.

    For AG to not render immediate aid to the innocent man she just shot says all I need to know about her capability of empathy. Her having a sexual relationship with her married partner is all I need in order to judge her character and integrity. Her sentence must send a message to all the other cops who became cops for the wrong reason.

    JMO
     
  11. CrimeDawg123

    CrimeDawg123 Well-Known Member

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    Had she just paused at that door step. Had she just thought for one second. All of these people whose lives have been destroyed would not be suffering right now. Botham would still be alive. The last witness for the defense (forget her name) I am pinning my hopes on that story - I hope that years down the road after AG does her time, that she can do something good to try in some small way to make amends for her total f* up in those few seconds. I think she was one screwed up chick, never should have been a police officer. And here we are.
     
  12. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    I better attend church, start singing, or help elderly people. Would you guys show up for me if I was being sentenced?

    No, it is just that Botham Jean was extraordinary. AG doesn't come off that well. I really think that there should be some medical, or educational records relating to ADHD for AG. That would be a mitigating factor.
     
  13. Wishbone

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    IMO There is no way of knowing for sure just what her intent(motive) was besides her intention to murder whoever was in that apartment. Not a bad choice, but an intention to kill.
     
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    and they're back...I guess AG isn't testifying. They are going straight to closing arguments.
     
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    I've been wanting to ask this question for awhile. Who are the two young ladies sitting between the witness stand and the judge?
     
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  16. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    Weki Well-Known Member

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    Snipped by me. Yes, you're right. I guess I was thinking more in terms of his service to others and his leadership qualities. But maybe it says more about who I'm surrounded with that I find those qualities rare. :( I was really moved by all the things he did for others.
     
  18. Hraefn

    Hraefn Verified Attorney

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    I’m sure one is a court reporter (typing the transcript). Possibly they both are? Or maybe a clerk or interpreter?
     
  19. Amster

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    That’s just wrong. I want to see her reaction. Have no clue why.....I probably need professional help! I truly felt, until yesterday & this morning, that she had been charged wrongly. Emotional roller coaster for sure. lol
     
  20. Amster

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    Who are the mouthy people in the courtroom?
     
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