TX TX - Fort Worth Co., WhtMale 1154UMTX, 25-40, winged No. 1 ring, Oct'87

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  1. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    Thanks, and yes, that was my thought process, too! They lived just outside of Des Moines and in Hartford all their lives. Not only that, but LJB's father was LJB, Sr. (same identical names) from Des Moines. If he lived with them in his elderly years, those could've been his pants going to the cleaners from Hartford, IA. I believe both men were in the service, and at least one was in the Air Corps. One that was in the service was a very slim man who could've worn those pants. I'll double check which one on the genealogy site.
     
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  2. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    No new ruleouts, and no updates to the Namus file since October 2015.
     
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    apearn Paratrooper John Doe, May 1984, Florida #UP1254

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    Bumping - I saw this Ancestry file mentioned a page or two back but I didn't see it posted. Capt. L.P. Brennan departed Hawaii going to Tokyo in 1956 I think. While this is not likely to be our UID, the location of where he may have gotten the clothes (family member, thrift shop, etc) may be helpful. I'd be curious to know Capt Brennan's home town and if it matches any of the states the PD think this man came from.
     

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  4. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP4087
    Male, White / Caucasian
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    Date Body Found: October 10, 1987
    Location Found: Fort Worth, Texas
    Estimated Age: Adult - Pre 50; 25-40
    Estimated PMI: 5 Days

    Estimated Height: 6' 1"
    Estimated Weight: 150 lbs

    Hair Color: Light Brown; full, straight, medium length
    Eye Color: Unknown

    Clothing: A long-sleeved ‘Brigade’ size medium plaid flannel shirt, a short sleeved ‘Lands End’ size medium blue and white striped pull-over knit shirt, a pair of ‘Lee’ blue jeans with a laundry mark inside: "L.P. Brennan 50115, women’s size small blue bikini briefs, dark socks.
    Footwear: ‘Etonic’ brand athletic shoes found near body
    Jewelry: A worn silver metal ring with flat blue and red stones forming a numeral 1 with applied wings, a gold metal analog watch ‘Kronotron’ brand (found one his pocket and did not have a crystal or band)

    Circumstances of Recovery: Decedent was living in a night shelter and used a fake name to obtain medical treatment and food

    The victim may have gone by the names:
    - Thomas Jeffrey
    - Jeffrey Taylor
    - Joseph Taylor
     
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  5. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    FWIW, this ring looks like a typical/traditional piece of Native American jewelry...JMOO
     
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  6. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    (DBM- didn’t see the list of exclusions - ‘Mad Moment’)
     
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  7. Oddmomout

    Oddmomout Verified Forensic Genetic Genealogist

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    @MadMcGoo I recently found the ring online--it was produced by G&S Jewelry Mfg and licensed by Harley Davidson in the 80s. I believe someone else on the thread thought this to be true. G&S was sold in 2013 to new owners but I spoke to the current owner and he speculated that this ring was probably bought at a bike rally.
    Something perplexing about this Doe--not one article in any Texas paper. I looked through them all. I would have thought Fort Worth Telegram would have had a least a mention. There were a couple UIPs and homicides the surrounding weeks in October but not one mention of the UIP found in St. Francis Village. And about St. Francis Village. This is a private retirement community run by the Catholic & Protestant church on 200 + acres. In June 1987 the attached letter was written to the editor of the Fort Worth Telegram. Screen Shot 2020-01-06 at 8.45.51 PM.png Screen Shot 2020-01-12 at 4.47.58 PM.png
     
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    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    @Oddmomout Wow!! I would have never guessed that ring was associated with that! That’s awesome that you found another one and were able to get that info about it maybe being sold at a rally.

    And it not being in the papers?! Curious, indeed. Then the retirement community....o_O lol, I’m not sure what to think now. A lot more info to think about though. Thank you for sharing!
     
  9. Blurgle

    Blurgle Well-Known Member

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    What confuses me is that a guy who wore size 32x34 jeans would not likely fit into women's size small bikini briefs. He might however fit into men's size small bikini briefs. It may be that back in 1987 the investigator who catalogued his clothing assumed that bikini briefs = women's briefs, since (from what I recall) men's bikini briefs were sold but weren't as common at the time as boxers or Y-fronts.

    Do we know if these were labelled as women's briefs, or were lacy or otherwise obviously women's? If not, the briefs might be a sign that he regularly wore leather pants (as a biker might).
     
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  10. Oddmomout

    Oddmomout Verified Forensic Genetic Genealogist

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    @Blurgle I'm looking into this and will let you know re: bikini briefs. I'm thinking some of the wardrobe (jeans) may be donations based on the night shelter stays.
    I also found out more about St Francis Village--at one point as late as the early 80s they had their own police department (source Ft Worth Telegram).
     
  11. YaYa_521

    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    It's believed Kevin voluntarily left/disappeared from WA. He then vanished from his campsite in OR. It's not clear whether he left OR voluntarily, but let's assume he did.:) Kevin was a biker which might explain the ring found with JD. The number on the ring makes me wonder if he was affiliated with a one percenter motorcycle club. If so, then he could have been running drugs/guns/etc. from Mexico which could explain his murder in Texas. Another thought is that he might have gone into hiding after getting into trouble with the biker club. That would possibly explain why he was using shelters and fake names. I can't explain away the difference in jewelry except to guess he might have traded or purchased jewelry at a rally along the way from OR to TX b/w Feb & Oct 1987. There's also the chance that he was pretending to be a 1%er with a fake Harley "1" ring. IIUC, faking brotherhood, just as stepping out of order w/in the club, could get someone killed. ;)


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    Kevin Gordon Hill – The Charley Project
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    Details of Disappearance
    Hill was last seen at the Oregon Caves near Cave Junction, Oregon on February 28, 1987. Authorities believe he had previously abandoned his car in Yakima, Washington, where he lived, and driven his motorcycle to Oregon. He was last seen inside one of the caves and has never been heard from again.

    After Hill's disappearance, his motorcycle, campsite, belongings and identification were found abandoned. His disappearance remains unsolved. Both Oregon and Washington authorities are investigating.

    Circumstances of Disappearance - Kevin Hill was last seen in the Oregon Caves near Cave Junction, Oregon on February 28, 1987. He was described by witnesses as being inside the caves, and his motorcycle was found abandoned near this location, in addition to a campsite with some of his personal items/identification. His vehicle was subsequently found abandoned in Yakima, Washington. It is believed that Mr. Hill most probably abandoned the car in Yakima (where he last lived) and drove the motorcycle into Oregon state. He has not been seen or heard from since.
     
  12. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    Makes sense. The narrative makes it seem like he got lost in a cave somewhere out there, but he could have just as easily staged it to look that way.
    I wonder why he would have abandoned both means of transportation? I’m not familiar with how motorcycle gangs work. Do their networks extend from OR/WA to TX? You know what I mean? Like, could he have had connections in the northwest who’d get him to Texas and then whatever happens happens?

    He definitely has a similar face shape. It’d be nice to know the condition of the UID’s teeth! Because Kevin’s seem really nice (in the front anyway). In general he could use a fresh reconstruction. The PMI was days after all, not months or years.

    It might also be helpful to know what type of medical care he was receiving and why he’s thought to have been in the military and originated from one of those particular states. I’m sure that came from witnesses or people he’d told that to, but I’m still curious.
     
  13. victoriarobinson642

    victoriarobinson642 Well-Known Member

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    I can't speak to the overall accuracy of this given the drawing I worked off of, but I tried to give this Doe a more human reconstruction.
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