TX - Gunman in Hijacked Mail Truck, multiple victims, Midland/Odessa, 31 August 2019

Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by MassGuy, Aug 31, 2019.

  1. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    That's interesting.
    They do need to do more research.
    Many studies are done on men who have committed violent crimes, to determine whether or not they have increased levels of testosterone.
    It would be interesting to see if lower than normal levels have any affect on mood or behavior. IMO
     


  2. BradB

    BradB Well-Known Member

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    It does come down to choices but if anybody is convinced violence is the answer how are you able to stop that? Force them to attend therapy? I dont see how society can stop these things. There is absolutely nothing anybody can do to prevent somebody from going off.
     
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  3. fred&edna

    fred&edna Simply convoluted

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    I have no sources to provide, this is just my very simple thoughts.

    Males with high (or low) testosterone.

    Time on their hands.

    Low, small number of friends

    Obtaining firearms/ammo over a period of time (didn't purchase day before)

    Feelings of anger (and possible feelings of social isolation -self-imposed or not)

    Family problems?

    Mental illness?

    ETA:. Drug obuse

    Unable to control thoughts/feelings which is so severe they seek retribution AND inflict vengeance on humanity. Kill.

    Please feel free to add/dispute. I'm not all that smart but I am a member of society - as is everyone here. What can we see and do to explain AND remedy?

    JMO and all that usual stuff
     
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  4. Lillymac

    Lillymac Well-Known Member

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    After thinking about it, the neighbor may not have wanted him to know she had called the police. Maybe fearful of him knowing. I think I would be.
     
  5. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I think there is hope. One area is in early childhood. Something is "off" about many of these killers at a young age. What can be done early to get the kids on the right path, not just passed along? Surely something. It's the basic, core function of a culture to raise healthy, productive people. We should put most of our attention on this, imo.

    And for adults, I think we can do better by others in stress and distress. Ignoring people, ostracizing people, assuming they need to be locked up and/or drugged up...all of that isn't working and perhaps we could do something else. What? I don't know! But, I do have hope for progress....eventually. We aren't there yet. In fact, it seems like we are rather barbaric in our approach - just wait for violence and then kill or lock the perps up.

    I think the answer is in making change....if we have the guts to change.

    jmo
     
  6. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    I think the item on your great list, 'Time on their hands" is a crucial one. There isn't one thing that is the problem, but several things....about "time on their hands" has got to be considered.

    Not having something worthwhile to do is depressing, at minimum.

    jmo
     
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  7. fred&edna

    fred&edna Simply convoluted

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    I agree.

    My basic questions, I suppose... Why are these men SO angry they no longer value human life? Where do we find the answer??
     
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  8. BradB

    BradB Well-Known Member

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    I always believe there is hope. I believe you need responsibilities in life. You need to wake up and have a purpose. Deep down getting fired probably played a role in everything and getting pulled over for something so petty probably sent him over the edge where he lost hope.

    But he still had a choice to find another job. Keep going. Not inflict harm on others but he didnt. He took a violent coward way out.
     
  9. Kubirai

    Kubirai Well-Known Member

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    If we consider the huge number of such "disadvantaged" young men in USA, the actual percentage who become mass murderers will probably be LESS than the much smaller "not disadvantaged" group.

    In addition to choice, genetics and upbringing also factor in who could become an "American Psycho" type killer or Unabomber or Texas A&M shooter.
     
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    kbpirate Active Member

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    Not to mention the trooper was about to walk up and see all the guns and ammo he had with him.
     
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    Anance Well-Known Member

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  12. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Wow MsBetsy, I was going to say this exact same thing including citing the prison studies on testosterone. My previous posts about that in other threads haven’t been too popular.

    Does this mean every man is a killer? Of course not. We know this. :)

    Here is a personal anecdote I’ve thought about, some may giggle and find it irrelevant but iirc, the Bull Shark, which can infiltrate both fresh and salt water, has more testosterone than any living creature on earth, and is one of the top 3 shark species which is responsible for the most attacks.

    (I learned that from the Discovery Channel eons ago, not sure if that information is still considered to be true but I would think so, moo.)
     
  13. enelram

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    JMO- don't throw rocks at me.
    In his old booking photo I noticed his puffy eyelids like he was a pot smoker or other drug user. Studies have shown that long term pot or drug use DOES affect the amyglada gland in the brain which controls executive function, judgment and decision making.
    Did he cope with his life problems using drugs? And/or Alcohol which lowers inhibition?
    These are two factors I see over and over in these unexplained mass shootings- 3 actually-
    1) drug use
    2) alcohol use
    3) chaotic, unstable childhood and absentee parents
     
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    vertex11 New Member

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    This is absolutely spot on! Evil and narcissism are a deadly combination.
     
  15. enelram

    enelram Well-Known Member

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    Well there may be something to your theory because we know from studies that as testosterone wanes, so does criminal behavior,
    generally speaking. The ages of high T. is also correlated w/ high crime period in many males.
     
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Dear Everyone,

    Please remember the only time we can use Reddit as a source is for their "Ask Me Anything" threads. Other than that please do not link to Reddit posts. We have no way of confirming what they are saying is true.

    Thanks,
    Tricia
     
  17. MaryG12

    MaryG12 Well-Known Member

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    it seems like a number of them are unemployed, too.

    Unemployment and financial distress may lead to school shootings

    Perhaps some of them are victims of the "hangout" culture in America?

    Maybe too worried about having the opposite gender like them, or worried about having friends?

    My experience is, if a guy does worry too much about wanting women to like them, that they are doing something (not mindfully) to drive away the female gender.

    I don't think there is any one factor in mass shootings, I think it's a combination, depending upon the shooter's background.
     
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  18. fred&edna

    fred&edna Simply convoluted

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    Have most of the mass killers been found to be under the influence at the time of the shootings? Or have reported history of drug/alcohol abuse?

    I support open discussion and I'm very anti-rock throwing ! Which reminds me... Do statistics show these killers have a history of violence?
     
  19. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    JMO, keep people busy doing something productive,having a schedule, making them develop skills in how to get along with others and understand better what society expects of them. It won't work for people with severe or organic (medical) mental illness, but it can help people with anti-social personality disorder.

    Many developed countries have policies to provide full employment for everyone who is able and of age. Make sure to provide everyone who can work with some kind of job with a living wage. If they have mental illness or personality disorder, make sure they have access to the care they need. Insecurity, inadequacy, fear of job and/or home loss, social isolation, etc. are all factors that can breed hostility and violence in some people.

    JMO
     
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    imstilla.grandma ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Believer of Miracles

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    "Perpetrators study other perpetrators and when one happens the most concerning amount of time is the week after," Peterson said. "People read about it online. They see the notoriety these people get."

    She says an identifiable personal crisis typically precedes a mass shooting: "In the days, weeks, or months before the shooting there's a marked change in behavior and it's typically a suicidal crisis. So, about 80% we could identify were actively suicidal before they did this. And these really are suicides, of essence. They're horrific but the shooter typically dies."
    The Violence Project tracks common traits found in mass shooters, warning signs and how to stop them

    A closer look at mass shooters: Who are they and how do we stop them?

    Laura Carno: Traumatized youth key to mass shootings

    Extreme Risk Protection Orders Intended to Prevent Mass Shootings | Annals of Internal Medicine | American College of Physicians
     
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