Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by MassGuy, Aug 31, 2019.
Absolutely. Me too!!
CNN reporting Ator was fired that morning. Had previously called 911 about his job and called the FBI both previously and that day.
The guy appeared to be having a lot of problems with his job.
West Texas gunman called 911, FBI just before massacre, police say - CNN
In the prior weeks when he called 911 and FBI over fights at work, maybe he should have been referred to some kind of crisis counseling or something. In this case, he was sending out warning signals.
Its also a little surprising that a guy who worked driving a truck for an oil drilling company wasn't making enough money to live somewhere a little better than that old metal shack.
Texas shooting: What we know about the people killed Saturday in Odessa-Midland area
Gerke said both Ator and officials with Journey Oil Field Services called 911 after Ator was fired Saturday. The 36-year-old was gone by the time police showed up, officials said.
Authorities said that about 15 minutes after the call to the FBI, a trooper attempted to stop Ator for failing to signal a lane change.
***I wonder if the officer realized who he was stopping. Was an alert put out?
True, we're far from being among the countries with the most homicides committed each year including killing victims in mass.
In fact our overall homicide rate has steadily declined in the past 6 years or so even though the population has grown, and more firearms are legally purhased, and legally owned no more than any other time in our history.
No matter what weapon of choice each one uses in varying countries, the weapons were just as deadly, and all of the victims just as dead by homicide.
Imo, it's always the individual mindset of each individual who decides to murder, carry it out, who makes it happen ..no matter where it takes place in the world, and it always will be.
That's why we have to find out the reasons its happening here in our own country.
My hunch is that 15 minutes was too short a time for any alert to have reached patrol officers. They just saw a truck turn left without signalling.
Perhaps he hadn't had the driving job for very long - all the more frustrating that he was fired? It is odd to have a job and not have running water.
I am just reading this updated info! The employer and the shooter were calling 911 and the shooter made a "rambling" call to the FBI after he was fired. My first thought was that there was a BOLO leading the troopers to pull him over. A poster upthread heard a rumor that he was on the police 'radar' before the shooting began and LE was tailing him... hmm... I wonder if he flat out threatened to shoot up the employer when he was fired.
Journey Oilfield Equipment LLC has a location in Andrews, TX just north of Odessa
Contact | Journey Oilfield Equipment
Journey Oilfield Services Inc. is in Tioga, ND. ? Has anyone located the verified employer address?
It's odd because the authorities stated that the shooter was travelling westbound on I-20 leaving Midland en route toward Odessa and he was already armed at that time... but he lived in West Odessa, west of the initial shooting point of the DPS troopers?
The logistics of this event have been so hard to grasp. TIA
The gunman had been fired Saturday morning from his job at Journey Oil Field Services and made "rambling" phone calls to both the 911 and the FBI afterward, the investigators added.
FBI special agent Christopher Combs said the gunman had gone to work that day "in trouble."
Combs said Monday that the killer's home was "a strange residence," and that the condition "reflect what his mental state was going into this."
Before mass shooting, Texas gunman 'was on a long spiral down,' investigator says
Before the vehicle came to a complete stop, the driver “pointed a rifle toward the rear window of his car and fired several shots” toward the patrol car stopping him, according to Texas Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger. The gunshots struck a trooper, Cesinger said, after which the gunman took off and continued shooting.
The gunman in the Odessa shooting called the FBI and police after being fired from his job and prior to his shooting rampage.
Gunman called FBI and police prior to shooting
Ator was reportedly fired from his job at a trucking company in the area just hours before the shooting began Saturday afternoon in the cities of Odessa and Midland, Texas.
eta - hours had passed in between firing and shooting.
He said both Ator and the company called 911 after being fired Saturday but that Ator was gone by the time police showed up. FBI special agent Christopher Combs says Ator’s statements on the phone were “rambling.”
Seth Aaron Ator called police, FBI after being fired before Odessa shooting: Police
The failed "background check" was for a gun, not related to his trucking license. So maybe he went to Midland to get the gun, from wherever. FBI is checking the source.
Those who died:
Rodolfo Julio Arco, 57, Odessa
Kameron Karltess Brown, 30, Brownwood
Raul Garcia, 35, El Paso
Joe Griffith, 40, Odessa
Mary Granados, 29, Odessa
Leilah Hernandez, 15, Odessa
Edwin Peregrino, 25, Odessa
Those who were injured:
Nathan Hernandez, 18, Odessa
Marc Gonzales, 38, Odessa
Officials release Odessa shooting victims names
100% with you.
The relatively cheap access of assault rifles.
Used to be - back when the shooter shot up the Texas university w/a rifle - one had to be very good shot. With an AR-15 one can shoot randomly into a crowded area. It's simply easier to accomplish.
That said, our society has become much harsher - the workplaces more toxic, the standard of living expectations more likely to go unachieved. Moreover, the economic insecurity workers feel in today's companies is real, stressful and affects not only them but their families as well.
I think his choice of how he lived was part of his psychosis. He was making a statement.
Slightly O/T, I saw the latest edition of Dateline last week. They found John Hinkley Jr’s diaries from when he was in the mental hospital for 9 months after shooting Reagan and 3 others. Wow just wow, how he was obsessed with infamy. I guess it’s common knowledge that he was beyond obsessed with Jodie Foster, but I didn’t remember that.
Hinckley is free now btw. Active in his church. They were saying how if that happened today an insanity defense wouldn’t have worked.
JMO, but he's sounding more like someone who had real mental illness, perhaps not a personality disorder. Paranoid? Maybe not always in touch with reality?