TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #42

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  1. Texas Mist

    Texas Mist Retired WS Staff

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    Hailey is 13 years old. She was heading to stay with a friend on Monday Dec. 27th but never made it. She is 5'1" with hazel eyes and brown hair. She also has pierced ears. She was last seen at 1804 Chestnut, wearing navy blue sweat pants, a light colored T-shirt and pink and white shoes.
    Anyone who has seen Hailey contact the Colorado City Police Dept. at 325-728-5294

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    Media Links
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    Hailey Dunn Facebook/You Tube/MM site


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  3. The_Flashlight

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    So when does a case warrant their own forum? What are the parameters? IIRC Gabriel Johnson had a forum by now.
     
  4. MagnoliaMom

    MagnoliaMom Verified mental health therapist

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    Posters need to be put out if they have any faith in this lead. Memphis is a long way from CC and unless they are big NG fans or sleuthers they probably have not even heard about this.
     
  5. Soulmagent

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    I know. I never hear about anything until after nancy gets ahold of it. But if she doesnt then some cases dont even get attention. (Samantha Clark 4example)

    why would they mention the tip to the media if it didnt have any merit? I would think it would have been checked out already, do they mention it the leads to show tips are coming in ?

    I would think they would call for the public to keep their eyes and ears open and encourge the public to hand of flyers and pass nformation along in social media and remind the public of the reward.

    Answer some questions about any changes that may have affected their efforts this far. ect..
     
  6. Texas Mist

    Texas Mist Retired WS Staff

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    Here's Kimster's response to a forum request (from thread #36)


     
  7. The_Flashlight

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    RE: The Cell Pings.

    @CALIGRAM- You bring up one excellent point as I was just thinking about this afternoon. Is LE positive that SA had his cell phone with him for the entire day that Monday?

    Jim lives just South of Birmingham, Alabama. Say @ 6am Jim drives with his cell to
    Tuscaloosa (about an hour away) going to his friend Chad's place to feed his dog (Chad's in Tokyo on vacation) hang out for an hour even ordering a Pay-per-view movie just before leaving. He also leaves his cell there and he goes back to Birmingham. Jim's back in B'ham @ 9:00 am he decides to i dunno, commit a crime. So he does his deed which takes about two hours that's 11am. He goes back to T-town and picks up his cell and turn off Chad's TV. He go to a very popular BBQ joint there for a rib sammich for lunch the place is packed. It's 1pm when he heads back to B'ham arriving back @ 2pm.

    So when the police search Jim's cell records and pings, where is his cell pinging @10:02am the time of the actual crime? Jim has left a neat little paper trail. Witnesses at the rib joint, etc. So on that evidence alone Jim is released and is no longer a person of interest.
     
  8. The_Flashlight

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    Ok I see but what does she mean by responsible posts?
     
  9. Texas Mist

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    TBH, there's too many posts violating forum rules: sleuthing folks that shouldn't be sleuthed, posting links to minors, posting minors' names, bickering, baiting, bashing LE, going OT, name-calling, posting w/o links, discussing rumors that were "put to rest", etc.

    Mods spend their time cleaning up the thread - many (hopefully most all) posts in violation are removed so it may not seem as problematic as it is.

    That said, responsible posting means following the rules while discussing the case.

    HTH.
     
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    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Memphis and Colorado City are a lot closer to each other than Roanoke and San Fransisco were. You can't get much further away from Virginia than California without leaving the country.

    If a woman in California recognizes a missing girl from Virginia...(44 hour drive, 2700 miles) from seeing her once on Nancy Grace, then I'm not going to discount a tip from Memphis about a missing girl in Texas (12 hour drive, 700 miles). Hailey has also gotten more national coverage as well.

    Not to mention, we do not know for sure what this tip is. It may be a tip about SHAWN having a history in this area. Tips in other cases have been about previous assaults and their locations.

    Either way, whether it is a sighting, a possible body location, or a tip about a suspect I see NO reason to discount it because it's 700 miles away. Elizabeth Smart was taken 700 miles away too. It only takes watching Nancy one time. Or stumbling on the story online.

    Taken from Virginia, found in California. 44 hours, 2700 miles away by a Nancy Grace viewer.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1012/13/ng.01.html

    SHANLEY: So I went in and asked the clerk to call their local police department, which would be the Richmond station, and she did. She dialed it for me. And I spoke to them and said, you know, there's a young girl out here with a white male from 25 to 35, and she looks to be between the ages of -- I think I said 15 to 18, but she`s young. And it doesn't look right.

    And last night, I'd seen a show on CNN, and there was a woman crying to -- her aunt, asking for him to bring her home for her mother's funeral and for Christmas. And that was first time I had seen her face. And her brown eyes is what got me. So I said -- as I'm talking with the police officer, I says, I was watching CNN, Nancy Grace, I think it was your show. I just know it was CNN, and that it may be this child from Virginia.

    And the cop even said, Virginia? And I said, yes, there was a murder in Virginia, and the man killed the woman and took the child, and this might be them. I wasn't sure, but my intuition was telling me something's not right here. And sure enough, it was her and him. My intuition was right.
     
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    http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=334376

    ME mom speaks out.
    MB received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

    She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but G says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.
     
  13. LisaB

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    I totally understand the reasons, and agree with your assessment, but IMO, if there was a thread for "pings" a thread for "the earrings" a thread for "what the hairdresser saw", etc., it might reduce the amount of "rehashing" of things that have been cleared up time after time, in thread after thread.:twocents:
     
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    My job is 30% clerical, 20% technical, and 50% waiting around until someone requires one of the aforementioned services. Our internet connection is slow, and we are strongly discouraged from watching video or streaming music, but there's nothing preventing me from reading MOST news stories during the down-time. Some subjects are blocked, although sometimes the blocker is "wrong" and blocks content that is not objectionable (ex. you can go to hotmail and yahoo, but not AOL). Sometimes it will display an article, but "block" most of the ads on the page. I'm sure it DOES block all the stuff that really IS bad too.

    One site that is blocked is the TruTV Crime Library. I think that is a "mistake" since there's no block on news of the same sorts of crimes, but there's no way around it. I can read and post here from work, which is nice. At the rate I read, and with my workload, It can take me all day to read a thread, using very little bandwidth.

    Maybe when I get a "smartphone" with 3g/4g internet I can read there from work, but there isn't even a wifi connection for my netbook now. There's a point to this...

    In Thread 39 there was some comparing/contrasting of this case to Polly Klaas. I am sure I know the Polly Klaas case, but ATM only remember the basics. I opened the TruTV article in a tab in my browser yesterday but never got back to it. I know I can't read it from work, so I went to the Crime Library site this morning and used "copy & paste" to quickly transfer the content on Polly to a Word document so I could save it and email it to myself to read at work, in spite of EVERYTHING I HAVE READ IN THIS CASE!

    While I have no intention of printing it out at work, in essence, what I did isn't that different from what Billie did. I went to the site where I have access, and made a copy (in her case a hard copy) to read at my leisure when I do not have access. It didn't even occur to me that I was doing virtually the same thing she did, and, in a sense, for similar reasons.

    I can't say what her interest in the articles was, as I do not know her. I do know that Nancy's mention of sulfuric acid, and discussion of marauding feral pigs and their dining habits sent many of us to the TruTV Crime Library and like sites to look for cases with similar disposal methods, and read some pretty horrible stuff. There are posters here who reviewed every article listed in the affidavit when it came out. At one point, I had more than 200 true crime books in my home. My reason for reading true crime was to "learn how those people think" so I could better protect myself and my family. It's how I learned NOT to park next to a white van in the dark part of a parking lot, to be skeptical of men in casts moving furniture, and not to jump to conclusions too quickly about "whodunnit".

    Until and unless it is proven that there is a connection to the case, I don't think Billie should be condemned so quickly for this. It may not have been the most constructive use of her time at work, nor mine for that matter, but it isn't necessarily as sinister as it's been made out to be.

    There, but for the grace of God, go I... and all that.
     
  15. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    I also wish we had a forum for Hailey, however, I totally understand WHY we don't have one.

    I know that after reading some of the posts, it's pretty obvious that there was an agenda at work in some of them. I love insider information, when it verified and true. However, I don't like to feel manipulated into believing a totally unbelievable story.

    BD hasn't been honest about key aspects of this case. She has totally contradicted herself numerous times. The last straw for me was the Nancy Grace ratings comment. A lot of parents would give everything they had to see their missing child highlighted on Nancy Grace, just once. I totally understand there are things that BD doesn't want to talk about. She can say she doesn't want to talk about them and to keep the focus on Hailey. But, she doesn't. She deflects questions about SA to make both of them look better.

    I'm so confused about this case. Upset too, because the one person who should want to find her daughter, is too busy worrying about her b/f and her own reputation. I just know that Hailey is missing and needs to be found, and if BD and SA's reputations are somehow tarnished in the meantime, they have no one to blame but themselves. JMO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.
     
  16. txcoast

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    Has there been any more information concerning the sunglasses and knife sheath that were found by searchers on Jan 7th about a mile from SA's GM house in Dunn, TX ? Where there pictures taken? Could someone identify the sunglasses as his? Wish we had more info, it sure could explain why it's been stated that he sits on the porch watching the searchers.

    http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=23252
     
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    In this article they are called "oil field glasses"

    http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=329356




     
  18. my_tee_mouse

    my_tee_mouse Done. Put a Fork in Me.

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    Yes, a number of threads back we posted pictures, descriptions and explanations of oil field glasses and whether or not SA would wear them in his line of work. People with experience in the oil industry assured us that these oil field glasses are quite common. To date, I don't believe we've seen anything definitive connecting the oil field glasses or the knife sheath to SA.
     
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    I think txcoast is asking if there are pictures of the actual items that were found... to see if anyone recognizes either as belonging to Shawn. I do not believe those photos have been released.
     
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    Yea Lisa, I would like to know if there are pictures of the items found and also if there are any pictrures of Shawn wearing these type glasses. I just think that those items being found so close to where SA is ( was) staying is very hinky.

     
  21. TGIRecovered

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    Thank you for helping us to understand the delay in getting a forum for Hailey!

    I don't want to sound argumentative or disrespectful, but I do agree that part of the problem with re-hashing old leads which have been discounted is that day after day, we have people coming to the forum who may not have been able to read every single post on every thread. They may mention an old lead or ask about it, someone else sees their post and repeats the lead as fact, then regulars attempt to answer the first poster's question. Bickering inevitably ensues. It really is no one poster's fault, just a lack of an organized way to access information.

    There are facts about sensitive issues such as BD's parenting and lifestyle around the kids and CCPD's handling of Hailey's case which could be discussed more responsibly on both sides of each issue. The line between discussing these facts as they affect the case and bashing simply to complain or harshly condemn is sometimes blurry. The alternative would be not to discuss these issues at all. I think it would be helpful if mods could help us understand how "bashing" would be defined so that we could still acknowledge the issues without all of the drama.

    I know that it would be very helpful if we could all remember to be very clear when posting an opinion so that it can't be confused with stating a fact. The easiest way for me is to always put "My Opinion Only" or "Just Speculating" unless I am stating a proven fact. I know we all really want a new forum, and I am willing to do whatever I can to help anyone new to learn the ropes!

    I am very, very glad that we have our wonderful moderators and Tricia to help keep Websleuth's a civilized place to go for intelligent discussion.
    There are plenty of other forums to go to for bickering, petty gossip and pointless bashing. I am happy to be here, even when I have to use the "edit" button to stay out of trouble!
     
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