Discussion in 'Identified!' started by KT Can, Feb 28, 2009.
Could they have been related?
That is a good point. She could have been visiting a brother or a cousin. Both estranged from family. If not though, like Carl was saying there are weird obsessions with people and criminals. People marry serial killers behind bars, there must be some psychological explanation. The "bad boy" attraction.
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we are so used to the Internet in 2017, it's easy to forget that WCJD would have relied on slow mail and magazines for her interests and fan clubs. I was a six month old baby when WCJD was killed so i don't know her world.
Eleven months later, he was put on trial for the murder of Sherry Welch after bite marks found on her breasts were matched to dental impressions taken from Pinkerton. Isn't that a weird coincidence? http://www.historicalcrimedetective.com/msm-jay-kelly-pinkerton-1979/
For the record; Pinkerton was arrested on Sept. 26, 1980, so he couldn't have killed WCJD.
I think it was 1979. But your point remains the same.
Six months later, on April 9, 1980, Pinkerton broke into an Amarillo furniture store and ...
He was eventually arrested and paraded on local television on September 26, 1980.
Never mind...just for the record.
I am not convinced that WCJD was one of Rhoades victims. He kept his kidnapped victims prisoner for days or weeks, raping them repeatedly before finally killing them. His first verified kills were ten years after WCJD was killed. Does not seem to fit his MO. JMO
Yes, you're right. I was thinking he was arrested right after the second crime, but I read it wrong.. That would pretty much rule out my initial theory, as a different source says he was in Randall County jail for six months before being sent to Nueces County for trial.
I wonder what sort of person WCJD was. for some reason I think of Six from the 1990s series Blossom.
Just a thought...what is she was not visiting the jail but a cemetery where executed people are buried.
"Of the roughly 450 inmates who die in Texas prisons each year, about 100 are laid to rest in Captain Joe Byrd Cemetery"
"Some headstones include the inmates name and dates of birth and death. During the 1980s and 90s the concrete crosses included only prison numbers and dates of death"
Maybe there is a record or list of people who are buried there.
Going trough the memorials on this cemetery. Just looking at the dates. Buried on 22-11-1980 Cecil Barker. No date of birth. He doesn't seem to be executed (no 999, no EX, X on grave)
this may be true, but the level of savagery leads me to believe she was not his only victim.
True, but she could be a victim of an unknown and/or short lived serial killer that hasn't come to light yet, like when Terry Rasmussen was discovered this year. (not saying it was him who killed WCJD, just using him as an example of a serial killer that had been unknown until recently).
yes, that is what I meant.
You are right in that Robert Ben Rhoades kept his victims captive for a really long time.
We know for sure he comitted crimes around 1990, but when caught he said he had been committing murder for 15 years. So he could have been killing in 1980.
I always thought it was possible that he was doing the prisoner thing towards the end of his crime spree. If he started around 1975, he would only have been killing for 5 years, and he might not have had the ability to keep them as long, for example he might not have had the "torture chamber" in the cab of his truck.
I have been absent from Websleuths for a couple of years, but am back now and find this case interesting, and want to work with all of you in attempting to identify this young girl. There is something about her face that just draws me to her. After reading most of the posts in this thread, I believe that she was a runaway either from her family, foster care or a group home. In the 70's and 80's many reports of runaways were only made to their local LE agency's which could be why there is no national missing person data available on her. If she is the same girl as in the picture of Cathy/Kathy (which I believe is highly possible because of their similar stories, it might be possible that she was attempting to locate a relative in prison (grandfather, father, brother, uncle, or friend) or was attempting to visit some prisoner that she was pen pals with. They may have never met her in person or even seen a picture of her (or known how old she was) which is why no one at the prison recognized her when shown her picture. I would assume they were shown her morgue picture at the time rather than one of the reconstructed sketches available now marking it more difficult to recognize her. Also if the information regarding Cathy/Kathy had been available at that time, LE could have shown her picture to prisoners/employees in the Central Unit in Sugarland, TX where someone may have recognized her. Hope I can be of some help in giving this girl her name back.
Rhoades physically raped and tortured her victims whereas WCJD was beaten and raped with an instrument. Don't remember any mention of WCJD being tortured.
Pem M Briggs is not in Namus... not sure about Charley Project etc... can anyone contact the mother who posted and show her Snohomish County jane Doe and see if she can submit her daughter to Namus?
She is in NamUs. I entered it. Her casefile is not yet published.
Pem's mother is deceased. It was her sister who came forward on the Snohomish County JD thread.
Also, killers evolve or the opposite, get more sloppy.