TX TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe' WhtFem 91UFTX, 14-16, Nov'80 *GRAPHIC* #2

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  1. detective24-7

    detective24-7 Active Member

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    Wow. I have never heard the boyfriend part as well as that she was there in the restaurant long enough to be eating/consuming something. That adds some more color to the story. I agree with rosefromangels that age (or near her age) isn't a solid indicator of who could have been her boyfriend. If she WAS under 18 and her boyfriend in prison was older, say, in his 20s-30s, it's obvious why he may have denied knowing or recognizing her to avoid exposing himself as a child predator or being involved with a minor.

    If it were true she was going to visit her boyfriend, I wonder if her boyfriend was possibly involved with another girl as well and she somehow crossed paths with WCJD and became jealous and she is the one who killed her - only entertaining this idea since no male DNA was found on or in WCJD and it was once speculated it could have been a woman who killed her because of this. After typing that out, it does sound kind of far-fetched and extremely specific, but anything is possible.
     
  2. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo SomeoneSomewhere KnowsSomething

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    “There was only one that could have possibly been her boyfriend, if you considered their ages, but we checked him out, and he didn’t work out at all,” Burmester said.

    The girl last was seen late in the day on Oct. 30, standing, possibly hitchhiking, on the side of a road just northeast of Huntsville, the detective said. The road led to the Ellis Unit.

    “An old station wagon stopped,” Burmester said. “According to (the) witness, there were three males in the station wagon. And that was the last time she was seen.”
    Cold case | Port Aransas South Jetty

    WOW!!! Please tell me that I’m not the only one who has NEVER seen this article or heard several details included in it?!

    I’m not even sure how I missed it. I’ve scoured through thousands of newspaper articles and internet sites! This was actually quite surprising to read! I KNOW (if their estimated age range is correct) there was more than one inmate on death row at the time who could have possibly “been her boyfriend”. Even though I don’t factor in the ages of the two very much at all.

    When I first read through the article, it seemed as though WCJD showed up to the restaurant with a milk shake...I’m curious, now, to find out what all this “restaurant” served. But that is just how I interpreted it the first time I read it.

    THREE men in a STATION WAGON? Also...first time I’ve ever heard this mentioned. IMO that changes quite a bit. A lot of bit actually...

    I’m going to have to read over this again, but it’s sounding more and more like someone wasn’t being completely honest. Someone either in a position of authority or someone whose statements have been given way too much credibility!

    :shocked:

    MMcG
     
  3. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo SomeoneSomewhere KnowsSomething

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    No worries!!
    I think you and I are on the same page! It seems like we have followed the same leads with the same train of thought! Although my train has completely been derailed with the latest article posted in this thread! I’m not quite sure what to think!

    MMcG
     
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  4. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Well-Known Member

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    It's all together a whole new and surprising (shocking if you like) twist to the story, but I'm glad I found the article. It's from 2010...remarkable nobody found it before (as far as I know).
     
  5. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo SomeoneSomewhere KnowsSomething

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    I am in complete agreement!! Great find!! I know I’ve never come across anything with this kind of detail, I’m sure if any of us had, we would have shared. But, yes, OUTSTANDING info you’ve come across!!

    MMcG
     
  6. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. Especially the fact that this info is coming from a detective made me look twice....there is so many "out there" around this case, it's hard to estimate the relevance of the info. BTW I also think that the age of a boyfriend isn't a good marker. Detective24-7 made a clever statement about that.

     
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  7. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Someone is just flat out lying about not knowing who this girl is. I absolutely believe she was going to the prison to see someone she knew. Per the new article, although I am not convinced it is 100% accurate, a "boyfriend".

    Chances are, he was older, which would have likely created problems for him, so he said nothing....as he was already in prison for who knows what. The police showing up to ask about a dead girl is never a good thing for a prisoner. Even if they didn't tell them it was a murder case, word gets around quickly.

    The info about the alleged three guys in a station wagon is a bombshell. We need to dig up additional info on that. This is really very surprising data to come out so many years later.....(or in 2010?) I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  8. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Well-Known Member

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    Me neither....grrrrr...were they white, black...a mix....I wonder....Actually every time I come across this so called eyewitnesses story I'm getting more unsure....
     
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  9. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Yessss...I'm not saying it is...but it sounds like a crock to me.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
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  10. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure it's a crock....eyewitnesses tend to lose information, interpreting information....mixing up day's, people, what people are wearing etc. There are a lot of science/research articles about the credibility of the information given by eyewitnesses.
     
  11. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    That’s absolutely true.
    In this Case, I think there has been a lot of fabrication and coverup.
    Just amateur opinion and speculation.
     
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  12. detective24-7

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    I'm glad you found it too! I was certain I've read/found everything available online about this case, and this article has so many new angles. It's motivated me to keep researching for more articles
     
  13. detective24-7

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    This is true. Remember that old show, "Unsolved Mysteries" with the host, Robert Stack? I remember they did an episode when I was little about how memory can be fragmented and selective without even intention. They would show pictures of someone or a clip of a generic scene (someone standing in line to get an ice cream cone) and then switch back the host and ask questions like "how many people were standing in line?" "what color was the girl's dress?" and even though you JUST saw the clip, your mind already felt blank of the details.
     
  14. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I have serious doubts as to whether this person is a reliable source.
     
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  15. Jdart14

    Jdart14 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    I feel like we still have to work with the original information as the baseline. This is of course a possible scenario though, and anything is worth digging deeper into.

    Happy Tuesday Y'all!!
     
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  16. sloane7777

    sloane7777 Well-Known Member

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    Am I crazy or didn't O'toole have a station wagon?
     
  17. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    IDK. It seems nefarious types favor vans. : (
     
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  18. Earthbound Misfit I

    Earthbound Misfit I Well-Known Member

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    It looks like Henry Lucas drove a station wagon
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  19. carbuff

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    I think that's Henry Lucas, not George.
     
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  20. Earthbound Misfit I

    Earthbound Misfit I Well-Known Member

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    oops, yes, you are right
     
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