TX TX - Huntsville, 'Walker County Jane Doe' WhtFem 91UFTX, 14-16, Nov'80 *GRAPHIC* #2

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    No..I don't think LE had a way of tracking them...During that time and prior people were trusting and hitchhiked all over the country... The runaway could use an alias and if their fingerprints weren't on file to verify their identity, I don't think LE would know their true identity... They may send out a notification of a runaway in the state...Unfortunately predators used that to prey on them...The victims fell through the cracks...I wish they had a way to track them...
     
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    The foster care system is flawed. I'm assuming before the internet state to state communication was even worse. Missing in the foster system could mean the kid went back to their family. Their social worker usually checks out those areas and local police are told to look out for the kid. This is if the foster parents report a missing kid. If someone regularly runs away they aren't going to be a high priority. The foster parents might give them a day or two to come back. It complicates things when they are running to family more often than not. Hitchhiking for 24 hours could get them over a thousand miles away.
    Also once kids age out of the system at 18 they are on their own. It would be easy to slip through the cracks.
     
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    Interesting! I can definitely see a resemblance, mainly the eyes, nose, and face shape. Eileen's chin looks a little large in comparison to WCJD's PM photo.
     
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    We know he was in the area because of records of traffic tickets/violations surrounding cities and counties have on him but not sure if he was in Houston/Huntsville specifically in October 1980 when WCJD was killed. The method Samuel Little killed his victims is very similar to how WCJD died, but even if it were Samuel Little, it wouldn't help with finding her name and identity because even though Little can draw from memory what his victims looked like, he says he can't remember all his victim's names and if he does, it's usually a nickname.
     
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    She has her head tilted at just the right angle...She definitely resembles her...

    From what I read she suffered a terrible attack...It's possible parts of her face had broken bones or was enlarged due to swelling...The strangulation may have impacted the position of her neck to...
     
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    That's true. Wait, so Eileen Hynson 19 years old in 1976? So wouldn't that make her 23 in 1980? To me, that would rule her our for WCJD because WCJD's PM picture, she looks on the younger end of the spectrum the estimated her age at - I would say 14-15 years old.
     
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    I'm no expert but as I continue to look through databases most of the 20 year olds look young to me...Case in point, Denise Beaudin, Terri Rasmussen's missing girlfriend, looks young in 1981..She's 23 but could pass for a teen IMO...
     
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    I finally read this full thread recently and I believe you live near/in Huntsville...I watched this documentary recently about a nice lady fighting for her brother whose on death row in TX and it showed the Death Row Museum in Huntsville...It even showed women marrying inmates on the radio...

    I heard about the Texas 40 a few years ago, what do you think is going on...
     
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    Wow, you're right, I wouldn't guess her at 23! I have had that thought before that it's not unheard of to look alarmingly younger than you are, especially if you are still pretty young. What always made me think WCJD was on the younger end of the estimated spectrum is her face still has that "baby fat" look, but like we mentioned, it's hard to see her true/actual features in her PM photo.
     
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    Off topic but the photo of Denise Beaudin in the brown shirt is from high School. She looked different at the time she left but no good photos.

    And WCJD's age isn't based off of her photo, it was an anthropological exam that determined her age range.
     
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    The article/info that I read stated WCJD was exhumed to extract DNA...I do not recall reading anything about an anthropologist examining her remains...However, I was just informed recently that her bones were also examined...
     
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    This is what happened to Patricia Taylor. Her family didn't even know she'd run away, I think they believed she'd been adopted, that was why no one had heard from her. She wasn't. It doesn't appear the state of OK looked for her. In all fairness, they may have but didn't note it. What it looks like is she ran away, and when she didn't come back, they simply closed out her file and called it good when she aged out of the system. God bless her sister, she's been looking for her ever since they found out.
     
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    Right, i'm aware. But we were talking about what we guessed her age at from the window based on the anthropological exam and how she looked from the photo.
     
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    There were a couple of regular events (traveling carnivals and such) that I found in the area around that time. The only other thing was the filming of “Urban Cowboy” was going on all around that area at the time...but I’ve not had luck in even coming up with a way to connect the two... it was just something I thought would attract a lot of locals who were maybe trying to get a cameo in one of the scenes or something?

    I mentioned the Prison Rodeo not too long ago..I’m not sure if I posted links but it’s very easy to find tons of newspaper articles and information...it was a very big thing especially around the time of this case. People came from all over to see it. I think Angola was the only other prison to have any type of event that brought in a lot of tourist. I know the Prison Rodeo was held every Sunday each October, which is what first cause my attention but IIRC someone mentioned that WCJD was killed on a Friday. And the rodeo has always been held out the Huntsville “Walls” Unit, quite a ways from Ellis. It would make much more sense if she were attempting to make it to the Huntsville Unit. Other than the Ellis unit which is about 15 miles out of town, the other units are all relatively close to I-45. A couple directly across from one another or right next to each other. If you travel through Huntsville it almost seems like there is a Unit on each corner and half of the vehicles are State vehicles. TDCJ is definitely the main source of employment in that area. I do agree that she at least told the witnesses she was trying to make it to the prison, wether or not she actually was I don’t know. But getting the Units mixed up is not hard to do even if you’re familiar with them, so I think it’s a strong possibility that is what happened. Ellis was the the most talked about so it’d probably be the first to come to mind...

    IMO opinion based on what I’ve read of Little and his victims, he stuck mostly to prostitutes or transients and I’d consider him more of a possibility if WCJD fit that profile...she just doesn’t seem like she was living on the streets. I could be wrong about both and Little seems like a very different breed of serial killer. I don’t think anything would surprise me when it comes to him!

    Did you happen to see the link I posted a little above this? (I’d link the comment if I knew his LOL) but it was about a prison radio station! Basically friends and family of offenders could call in and “speak” to them over the air, for those units that could pick up the radio station, but the inmates could not talk back. It mentioned that a lot of them got married that way! I had never heard of such a thing and it sounds like anyone could call in and speak to someone in prison. Very interesting!

    I’m also curious what people think about the Texas 40. It seems so easy to connect several Does to most all of the serial killers in the area at the time. A lot of similarities in victims and MOs!


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    I do remember reading about your comments about the marriages...I watched the documentary not to long before you posted that comment...

    I was expecting a documentary about the death row inmates case, but it shows the impact on his family...It's not for everyone but it was interesting and different from the typical DR documentary...Here's the trailer for 'The Road to Livingston'...
     
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    I researched serial killer Stephen Peter Morin who wore disguises...At one time he and his girlfriend (Sarah Clarke) kidnapped a woman and held her captive in a hotel...Sarah's son unwittingly helped him soundproof his van...He was wanted for murders in several states including Colorado...He stalked Sarah Pisan and killed her best friend...

    He also killed a young woman in
    Padre Island and San Antonio,TX... One victim he strangled and threw her into a culvert...He also raped and killed a 14 yr old in San Francisco...

    His story gets unique when he kidnaps Margie Palm, a Christian woman, and she prays for him and tells him about Kenneth Copeland...During her kidnapping he supposedly transforms into a Christian...

    He committed several murders in 1980 and late 1981..I haven't found info on where he was in October 1980...

    1984 COLORADO ARTICLE
    1981 NEWS ARTICLE
    ARTICLE BY SARAH CLARK'S SON

    MARGIE PALM'S 1996 INTERVIEW
    **A YouTube video from a religious type program...It seems weird at first but she gives an interesting acount of her kidnapping
    SARAH PISAN FACEBOOK
    **Has a lot of news clippings
     
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    I don't think telling your kidnapper about the Love of Jesus would work too often. I wouldn't waffle on about Kenneth Copeland myself...
     
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    Here's info on a write up in the INQUISITR about an ID Serial Thriller episode about Sarah Pisan's experience with Stephen Morin...

    "One of her coworkers was Cheryl “Cheri” Ann Daniel..."

    "...she had found love with a man named "Andrew. Sarah remembered seeing Andrew when he came to pick Cheri up from work."

    "Things took a turn when Cheri didn’t show up for work one day
    leading detectives to question Sarah for more information."

    "Sarah met a nice man named Robert..."

    "...who constantly showed up to the gas station to ask her out."

    "...when Sarah refused, he turned violent and began stalking her..."

    "Sarah was also receiving bizarre phone calls from a man who was threatening to kill her."

    "Several months later, the body of Cheryl Ann Daniel was found dead..."

    "...they also found Sarah’s name and address in a wallet at the crime scene."

    "...she reviewed a mugshot book..."

    "...detectives informed her that all of the men in the book were photos of the same man, dressed in different disguises."

    "...she saw a photo of Cheryl’s boyfriend, Andrew, who she now realized was Robert Generoso."
     
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    I found cases of other victims in Conroe, TX (Montgomery County)...Its approx. 30-45 min south of Huntsville...

    Lesia Michelle Jackson
    12 yrs old

    September 7, 1979, Lesia Jackson, 12, spent most of the day swimming with her older brothers at Lake Wildwood off FM 1485 in Conroe.

    When her brothers were ready to go home, Lesia wasn't. They started walking without her. Lesia eventually followed and she was last spotted walking alone...

    That was the last time anyone saw Lesia alive.

    Lesia had been raped and strangled. There were tire tracks nearby, tracks investigators believe are from the killer's car. Lesia's bright blue bikini was laid out near her shredded little t-shirt.

    For the first time, detectives are making public a picture of the gold butterfly necklace Lesia was found wearing. The day she was abducted, she had on a matching ring. That ring was never found.

    ARTICLE
    FACEBOOK

    GOOLE MAP
    **Map shows where Lesia and WCJD's bodies were found
     
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