TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #5

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  1. renarde

    renarde Well-Known Member

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  2. Gobstopper

    Gobstopper Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps KL asked LE to keep that info private to protect the reputation of JL. MOO
     
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    No. Not suggesting any of that - just talking about Occam’s Razor.
     
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    Sheila Terranova Well-Known Member

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    1. The police said the dogs stopped abruptly at the road? So was he picked up by someone who killed him elsewhere?
    2. Mushrooms have a weird way of getting people to strip naked. If he was on them, could explain stripping.
     
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  5. Finlay

    Finlay Call me Finn

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    Ok. Again, I didn't intend to jump to a conclusion about your alternate theory. Any chance you could share which scenario you think is less likely to have occurred than, Jason's Waze app shuts off (LE has stated this happened), Jason continued on thru the intersection where he should have turned (the most likely explanation for ending up on that gravel road), Jason over correcting as he navigated that slight curve in the gravel road (we've seen the pics of his car tracks as they go thru that turn, leave the road, & enter the ditch - it is a classic case of over-correcting). Also, other WS members have shared links of cases where an occupant of a vehicle involved in an accident has ended up with closed head injuries which led to the victims being in an "altered" state which could easily have led to that victim being confused enough for them to not be fully aware of their environment & situation to the extent that it could easily be believed that they did not know where they were at after the accident or they should do next. From there, I have not problem thinking that person might not know where they should go, what they should take with them, if they should stay with their car, or if they should just drop their stuff & try to walk for help. ...and with that level of confusion, yes, it's hard to say what happened. Indont have any problem whatsoever though believing that maybe that person might get cold & tired & just try to find some warm place they could cuddle into until they "rested up" a bit. ...and where it might be really really hard to find them & they succumbed to the head injury or elements.
    You can twist the scenario I am picturing that may have occurred (in my humble opinion only of course) however you want to. And you can try to make it sound like there it requires much speculation. But again, I can NOT picture a scenario with unknown third parties from unknown origin interacting with Jason for unknown reasons, resulting in his car ending up where it did as the result of an unknown action where said unknown parties left his belongings behind and ascended with only Jason's naked body (or a naked Jason - if they for some reason wanted him alive).

    But that's just *my* take on Occum's Razor. I am likely interpreting it differently that you are. ...which is the type of thing that I have stated several times before, I find to be the beauty of this site as it allows folks from all over to share so many varying viewpoints and help us all to remember that we need to stop & see other possible perspectives!
     
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  6. Gobstopper

    Gobstopper Well-Known Member

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    Just so we're all on the same page :D

    Occam's razor
    is a principle from philosophy. Suppose an event has two possible explanations. The explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.
     
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    Agreed...in most situations there’s no need to make more assumptions than one needs to.
    Although one may be able to come up with a list of assumptions to why something may have occurred, it’s a good idea to look at what’s MOST LIKELY.
    Ex: You weren’t able to slow down your car and wrecked. Why?
    The most likely reason would be along the lines of your car’s brakes went out/malfunctioned.
    Having a secret enemy who cut your brake lines to your car in attempt to injure or kill you is not likely!
     
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    There are a lot of assumptions that can be made in this case, explains why there's so many different ideas.. MOO
     
  9. jondaba

    jondaba Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE (we've seen the pics of his car tracks as they go thru that turn, leave the road, & enter the ditch. QUOTE]

    Somehow I missed the photos of Jason’s car tracks that you speak of. Can you please post or provide the location? Thx.
     
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  10. mlhenn

    mlhenn Well-Known Member

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    Log into Facebook

    There are several photos with the post on the link above. One of those photos is of the tire tracks.
     
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    Follow the minute-by-minute timeline leading up to missing Missouri City student's crash

    Photo of swerving tire tracks in video at link.

    Also a good photo of the bloodstain. First I'd seen this photo. Compelling.

    Good refresher. Still so many questions.

    JMO
     
  12. jondaba

    jondaba Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much, Milhenn ✌

    I did see a photo with a few tire tracks.

    Nonetheless, I am among those who commented - on the Sherrifs FB Page - that they didn’t see anything probative.
     
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    Finlay Call me Finn

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    May I ask what you do think you see? If we're looking at the same photo, I see four tire tracks. ...from the four tires on one car. I've heard various interpretations of what other people see when they look at it though & those perspectives vary.

    *However*, you specifically said you didn't see anything "prohibitive" so that makes me think you have a possible scenario that you are thinking of that this image doesn't rule out. Somim curious what that scenario you're envisioning is. And I'm wondering what you see in the image here - and maybe how what you see does not "prohibit" your envisioned scenario from having occurred.

    I wish I had the right software tools and/or artistic ability to show in a video/animation of what I'm fairly certain happened that caused one car (Jason's car) to create these tracks. I think that would make it much much easier to explain it that way. But sadly, I don't. (At least not at the moment. Maybe I can come up with something - or enlist the help of a friend- in the next few days.)
     

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    A possibility for these kind of tracks could be the driver falling asleep...
     
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    When I look at the picture, I envision one car driving down the road, and another car passing it on the curve, cutting him off, and both of them going into the ditch. It looks like two different cars to me.
     
  16. sylli

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    Agree
     
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    Or to protect KL's reputation. A college kid's reputation is a far cry from a Pastor's reputation. JMO
     
  18. Finlay

    Finlay Call me Finn

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    I've heard others say that as well. I think it's hard for some to envision how each of the four wheels on Jason's car are what made each of the four tracks you see in that picture. Many people naturally think of a car driving in a straight line and how that leaves only two sets of tire tracks. However, when a car turns, you start to see how the front tires take a slightly different track than the rear tires. Think for instance how you might turn a corner and sometimes the rear inside tire might bump or hop the curb a little (curb check). Thats because the rear tires take a path that leads slightly closer to the curb.

    What I see here when I look at this picture is a case where Jason got too close to the ditch on the left side of the road, attempted - a little too late and too aggressively - to correct his path of travel by steering to the right, and the rear of his car came around as it spun out. I believe the two tire tracks seen at the very bottom of the picture were actually made by his rear tires as his car had turned sideways as it traveled across the road as it spun around until he was sliding/rolling backwards into the ditch. By the time he hit the tree & fence, the car was backwards and the driver's side was soun around to end up impacting against the fence as it slid backwards into that tree that brought it to a stop.

    If there had been two vehicles rounding that corner in the road, you should actually see 8 tire tracks along the road as they steered around it. Even while turning thru only a slight curve, the front and back tires of each car would leave their own tracks because they each take a slightly different path thru the turn.

    At least that's what I see when I look at this picture. And I think that is how LE was looking at it.

    As always though, thats just my opinion. And I am not crime scene expert or crash reconstruction specialist. (I have spun out a car a few times though & left tracks very much like these in doing so. :) So I guess maybe I do have just a tiny bit of experience on the topic. )
     
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    Concerning the various kinds of tire marks that can be left after an accident:

    Importance of Tire Marks in Forensic Investigation

    a) Scuff Marks: Refers to the tire marks made by a rotating or yawning vehicle, a vehicle acceleration, or a flat tire.

    b) Yaw Marks: These tire marks are made by a tire that is turning and sliding sideways parallel to tank wheel’s axle, and also referred to as sideslip or a critical speed scuff marks.

    c) Skid Marks: These impressions of tire made by a locked wheel caused by the application of the brakes.

    d) Print Marks: Tire marks that are made by the rolling tire are called print marks.

    e) Scrub Marks: When a wheel locked due to damage, then this kind of tire marks are left by the vehicle.
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    Here’s an example of Yaw Marks that come from 1 vehicle but could easily be confused as two IMO.
     
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    I watched the Jonas Brothers story . Once the Jonas Brothers were headed on a secular, rather than religious, musical path, Jonas Sr. , As a Pastor, felt pressure from his church and eventually quit. So yes it is bad on a Pastor, when his own kid do not follow his religious path.
     
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