TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #3

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  1. kettlecorn

    kettlecorn Verified Family Insider

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    Mr. Arnold was at the shop he was working in the office and he didn't became to ill to leave his house until 2 -3 months after the girls disappeared

    Mr. Arnold dropped him off at home after work
     
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    raven9860 Well-Known Member

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    I was raised southern.
    But it's general compassion that would keep me from asking her. Example... my mom had horrible tremors and wouldn't eat in public. So... I never asked her to go out to eat because it would just be an uncomfortable reminder to her.

    As far as just "just leave it at that", that's not a reliable way to get to the truth. It's been almost 45 years without the truth. Just maybe it's time to question everything.
     
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    raven9860 Well-Known Member

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    Only because you brought up the timeframe a letter would had to have been mailed...

    Are you saying that you think the letter was mailed in the envelope that Debra provide to FWPD?
     
  4. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    The letter was supposed to be in the mailbox on the morning of 24th.

    Regardless of the authenticity of the envelope, the letter had to be posted before that. And after the girls arrived at the mall presumably.

    So I can't see what's off with Cat's logic??
     
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    That logic is fine if you believe the letter was mailed. I haven't come to that conclusion yet.
     
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    Missing car is crossed off mine too.
    Was Mrs. Arnold with them at the shop? Did cotton stay at the shop all day? What time did cotton drop him off at home? So did he really ever call Mrs. Arnold to see if the girls were there? Or would he have called from his house after he made it home? I'm sorry I'm so full of questions I have just never heard this account. And I believe that it is vital to this case. I believe we can actually get somewhere with it. Thank you very much for being here!
     
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  7. That an envelope, post-marked December 23, 1974 [AM] was delivered to that address is indisputable. The "Letter" is adrift in time and space. The envelope could have been empty. It could have contained the Letter we all recognize (the one that defies physics), or some Letter discarded. It is the testimony of the person to whom the envelope is addressed that ties those two pieces of paper together. That envelope did not address, stamp, and send itself. Legally, that envelope is a tick on the timeline.
     
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    I know it's a typo...but so as not to confuse anyone...

    post-marked should be December 24, 1974 [AM]
     
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    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    No it might not have been posted. Same logic and same conclusion for me. No prankster would be acting so fast, placing the letter in the mailbox by morning of 24th. Unless they knew the families.
     
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    Oh I agree. I don't think the letter is a prank at all.

    I was basically just trying to find out her thoughts on the envelope.
     
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    kettlecorn Verified Family Insider

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    Mr. Arnold was there all day and Mrs. Arnold was not at the shop.
    I don't know a timeline on the drive home but I will ask.
    I also don't know about the call.
    and that too I will ask.
     
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    I'm sure some of you are familiar with Texas Far and Wide. But for those that are not, here's the link. Chapter 3 is the beginning of info regarding the disappearance.

    Texas Far and Wide
     
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  13. OK, I thought I'd done this here, but I don't want to go back and find the post any more than yall do.
    Postmark school:
    1. I was shown a copy of the letter and envelope in 2016. No wonder the police discounted the letter immediately. Someone didn't know how to read a postmark in 2000. Eliasville, Weatherford, Throckmorton, all red herrings. post_orig.jpg
    2. I got married in 1972, had a baby in 1973, another in 1975, another in 1977. I pulled out all those albums and baby books. I provided a dozen postmarks from Fort Worth, and 3 other states. orig_fw1.jpg, orig_fw2.jpg, orig_fw3.jpg
    3. 3B was the Wedgewood substation. 3A was the Felix St. substation. 1A was the downtown post office.
    4. If that envelope was deposited at Seminary South it would have been routed to 3A to be cancelled and routed for delivery. It was deposited in a box or the actual building slot no more than 2 miles from where it was delivered, cancelled after midnight. Delivered the same day - 1/4 mile from where it was processed.
    5. TT was at the shopping center parking lot from 10:45 until after midnight.
    6. Who mailed that envelope? When? Where in Wedgewood?
     

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  14. No more maps, images or photos. WS keeps crashing. If this doesn't convince you of something...I give up.
     
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  15. tyvm.
     
  16. kettlecorn

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    TT was at home. He was told to go home and wait by the phone in case they called. So doing what LE told him to do, he went home and waited.

    Lets not forget his only vehicle was parked at the mall
     
  17. Exactly. About 1AM there was nothing to do but go home. That's what everyone did. Then crazy Tuesday.
     
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    No he was told early on to go home and wait by the phone way before 1am.

    I think every home had someone waiting by the phone just in case
     
  19. Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought he was there until everyone else left. The bad-old-days, before cell-phones, answering machines, caller-ID. People my age remember what that was like, but it's hard to think back that far for lots of people.
     
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    That would explain why Debra took him to the mall. He didn't have a vehicle. Did that actually happen. Her taking him to the mall about 11 pm?
     
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