TX TX - Madisonville, UnkFem 2-6, UP15905, feeding tube, in suitcase, clothes, blankets, Sep'16

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BBM. It could be a foster or medically fragile adoption. In this situation, even if birth parents, this seems like someone is still collecting benefits on this little one. It just seems they dumped her where she could be found. Like maybe hoping someone would bury her/have a funeral. If it was homicide, I would think they would bury her. My guess is they drove quiet distance to do so. Even if death was accidental, someone made a choice not to report it. And usually money is a motivator. Sadly. And no-one will know she is gone, because they most likely moved states. Or areas.

I agree about the money. I definitely feel there is something untoward with the way she died. Obviously, Madison could still be Connie Lopez's granddaughter but I think maybe this is something that was closer to home. I think she died at the hands of family and they wanted to get away with this. I think it's more likely that if this was a homicide, they would be less likely to want to bury her - a lack of a respectful burial shows a lack of respect for the life lost. Just like baby Bella Bond. She didn't stand a chance with Momster and her boyfriend and she ended up on Deer Island, dumped just like this little one.

I think if she died accidentally, they would either report it or at least bury her privately.
 

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From what I read, Connie Lopez couldn't report her granddaughter missing because she had been put up for adoption and her biological family had no legal rights over her.
I agree that this is one of the 'close to home' cases, however, it was probably her adoptive/foster family that is responsible. This also lines up with Connie Lopez's granddaughter being put up for adoption.
 

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Clothing on body
Pink dress (size 4T, Brand "Mon Petit)) with colorfully embroidered butterflies and the words "Follow Your Dreams"

Size 4 Diaper - "Parent's Choice" brand

Other items found
with body
military issued camo shirt (desert digital pattern)
Silver child's bedspread
Grey adult sweatshirt
Small green blanket
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Just quoting a partial of a post to remind us what other effects were found with the body as they may contain signs as to who Madison was with at the time of her death.

Was there ever any answer as to whether the body was found by the northbound or southbound side of the interstate? It seems very relevant to me as a lot of things here point to a long road journey. The dump site near a road rather than in a forest or some place like that, that it was an interstate rather than a smaller road, and the availability of a 'suitcase' type bag, which suggests to me that it was already in the vehicle, and this was a dumping of convenience.

But I'm trying to understand what the roads say... If Madison spent most of her short life in the region of south-eastern Arizona to New Mexico (where? south?) or maybe northern Mexico (can they rule that out by the pollen and isotopes?) then this I45 doesn't appear to be a direct route from those places. Instead it suggests to me that they've already left behind Arizona/New Mexico and traveling between either Oklahoma City (unlikely but possible) area or (more likely) Dallas/Fort Worth to Houston, and which way around that is makes a difference.

If it had been a purely east-ward route from AZ to New Mexico to Houston, then the map suggests to me (as a non-US person) that the intended destination could be anywhere between Houston and Florida. But the I45 suggests something between Dallas area to Houston area, and possibly not much further than either of those? But it seems that due to the availability of the bag/case it's likely to be a reasonably long journey of at least one night, and possibly actually moving home.

Who is likely to have a military issued camo shirt? Would you find something like that in a used clothing place or a homeless shelter or would it be more likely to be restricted to someone on recent or active military duty? I know there's a very large military base in the Dallas/Fort Worth area...maybe a military guy who has a girlfriend/sister/cousin which a child with a disability? Maybe some of his friends/colleagues on base would remember seeing a little girl like that with him or hearing him complain about the child of a girlfriend who then gradually ceased to be talked about or seen?

On the other hand I would expect some kind of nefarious purposes for this journey, or at least someone fearful of capture by police if the body was taken to a hospital, so maybe someone with outstanding warrants.

But that goes back to the convenience factor for me. There wasn't enough time to detour to a better 'resting place' or to take the body to a hospital, leave a false name and walk out? Presumably no sense of necessity for a hospital. So it feels like Madison died in the vehicle rather than dying at home and a deceased body being transported away from the home.
 

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Still nothing :(

Thanks for letting me know about this little one&#8217;s plight. I&#8217;ll read through her thread and links over the next few days to see if any ideas pop into my head.
 

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Thanks for letting me know about this little one&#8217;s plight. I&#8217;ll read through her thread and links over the next few days to see if any ideas pop into my head.

:tyou: Bohemian.

I'm glad to see Madison's thread back up at the top again.
 

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Just quoting a partial of a post to remind us what other effects were found with the body as they may contain signs as to who Madison was with at the time of her death.

Was there ever any answer as to whether the body was found by the northbound or southbound side of the interstate? It seems very relevant to me as a lot of things here point to a long road journey. The dump site near a road rather than in a forest or some place like that, that it was an interstate rather than a smaller road, and the availability of a 'suitcase' type bag, which suggests to me that it was already in the vehicle, and this was a dumping of convenience.

But I'm trying to understand what the roads say... If Madison spent most of her short life in the region of south-eastern Arizona to New Mexico (where? south?) or maybe northern Mexico (can they rule that out by the pollen and isotopes?) then this I45 doesn't appear to be a direct route from those places. Instead it suggests to me that they've already left behind Arizona/New Mexico and traveling between either Oklahoma City (unlikely but possible) area or (more likely) Dallas/Fort Worth to Houston, and which way around that is makes a difference.

If it had been a purely east-ward route from AZ to New Mexico to Houston, then the map suggests to me (as a non-US person) that the intended destination could be anywhere between Houston and Florida. But the I45 suggests something between Dallas area to Houston area, and possibly not much further than either of those? But it seems that due to the availability of the bag/case it's likely to be a reasonably long journey of at least one night, and possibly actually moving home.

Who is likely to have a military issued camo shirt? Would you find something like that in a used clothing place or a homeless shelter or would it be more likely to be restricted to someone on recent or active military duty? I know there's a very large military base in the Dallas/Fort Worth area...maybe a military guy who has a girlfriend/sister/cousin which a child with a disability? Maybe some of his friends/colleagues on base would remember seeing a little girl like that with him or hearing him complain about the child of a girlfriend who then gradually ceased to be talked about or seen?

On the other hand I would expect some kind of nefarious purposes for this journey, or at least someone fearful of capture by police if the body was taken to a hospital, so maybe someone with outstanding warrants.

But that goes back to the convenience factor for me. There wasn't enough time to detour to a better 'resting place' or to take the body to a hospital, leave a false name and walk out? Presumably no sense of necessity for a hospital. So it feels like Madison died in the vehicle rather than dying at home and a deceased body being transported away from the home.


Hi Amonet,

Thank you for your insight.

BBM.

I am unsure if we know which side of the interstate she was found on (can anyone recall?) but I'd like to know. I think it would give us a good idea of the destination in mind. I don't think any thought when into the disposing of Madison. I think she was killed wherever she lived and the only thing that crossed their minds was to save themselves, move to somewhere no one knew that they had a little girl, get rid of her far away from both where they lived and where they were headed and hope for the best. I think this is just a case where the right person needs to see the right news segment and they'll remember the family that had a little girl with needs like Madison's that suddenly disappeared.

It&#8217;s also a possibility that I45 is nothing to do with their location now and they used this interstate to throw people off. Although, I&#8217;m not convinced that whoever dumped her there put that much thought into it or cared as much. Their priority seems to be themselves. Saving themselves.

Again, can&#8217;t be sure about the army base lead. I really do think this news has just got to reach the right people who will know this child. I don&#8217;t believe anyone is looking for her. With her requirements it seems it would have been easy to put a missing child and Madison Doe together and make a complete story.

I&#8217;m honestly surprised that no one, as in doctors, health professionals etc, have come forward to at least say I treated a little girl with this, this and these issues and she&#8217;s no longer in my care. Suddenly. Even if they hadn&#8217;t heard about Madison. I don&#8217;t know, it just seems that she would require a lot of people to be or to have been in her life and for someone to wonder where she is. Is it possible to move so suddenly with a sick child and doctors not have questions or at least want to know where she had been transferred to?

I really do wish we had images of the bedspread, blanket, sweatshirt and camo shirt. Maybe someone didn&#8217;t recognize Madison&#8217;s things but would recognize the adults things/things they had seen in their home.
 

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Ana, I am also surprised that someone in the healthcare industry doesn't recall treating Madison. The cranial morphology can't be that common, and if that tube was surgically put in, a team of people would have been involved in the insertion...would there not have been follow-up appointments wherever she lived?

I hope this new wave of publicity for her case will bring forward the lead LE needs to find her identity.

There must be relatives who should know she's now deceased, maybe their questions have been brushed off by the parents/caregivers. There could be other children in the household who need support.
 

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Subscribing. It is very, very disturbing that this child has not been identified. The composite doesn't show her ears pierced, but the clothing, the medical device, the suitcase. . . It sort of reminds me of the "boy in the box" case.
 

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Ana, I am also surprised that someone in the healthcare industry doesn't recall treating Madison. The cranial morphology can't be that common, and if that tube was surgically put in, a team of people would have been involved in the insertion...would there not have been follow-up appointments wherever she lived?

I hope this new wave of publicity for her case will bring forward the lead LE needs to find her identity.

There must be relatives who should know she's now deceased, maybe their questions have been brushed off by the parents/caregivers. There could be other children in the household who need support.

Exactly what I am left thinking. I would imagine that with her condition she would have appointments and follow ups for the rest of her life. And maybe with the same specialist.
 

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Subscribing. It is very, very disturbing that this child has not been identified. The composite doesn't show her ears pierced, but the clothing, the medical device, the suitcase. . . It sort of reminds me of the "boy in the box" case.

I agree, Boots. And that case is not short of theories. I hope things become a little more clear cut for Madison.

Although I think it's more likely that Madison was a victim of her own parents, I do wonder about the foster home similarity.
 

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This breaks my heart, how can nobody know this poor child? surely a DNA swab from Connie Lopez can rule in or out her granddaughter.
 

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The most recent article (that I could locate) regarding "Madison Doe" is dated September 29, 2017. In that article it states:

"She claimed she called the Center for Missing and Exploited Children four times with no avail. "All I wanted to ask was to see if it could be my granddaughter and they told me no. They said they couldn't assist me. That right there tore and broke my heart."

She wouldn't give up and called a fifth time while we were there. Someone finally took down her information which included having DNA from clothing that belonged to her granddaughter.

For now Connie Lopez waits and prays for answers.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36380170/...a-child-found-in-texas-resemble-granddaughter

I wonder if she has been able to give the clothing that contains "Madison's DNA" to the powers that be??? What could be the hold up in running DNA testing? Is there a backlog? Cost?

Frustrating!
 

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i wonder if she could volunteer the DNA as a "tip". she may not be able to report her missing but she can call a tip in that it may be her.

This breaks my heart, how can nobody know this poor child? surely a DNA swab from Connie Lopez can rule in or out her granddaughter.
 

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The most recent article (that I could locate) regarding "Madison Doe" is dated September 29, 2017. In that article it states:



http://www.kvoa.com/story/36380170/...a-child-found-in-texas-resemble-granddaughter

I wonder if she has been able to give the clothing that contains "Madison's DNA" to the powers that be??? What could be the hold up in running DNA testing? Is there a backlog? Cost?

Frustrating!

It sounds to me as if no one is putting any weight in what Connie is saying. And seeing as it doesn't appear they have many other tips to follow, there is no way they should be turning her away. Very sad.
 

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The most recent article (that I could locate) regarding "Madison Doe" is dated September 29, 2017. In that article it states:



http://www.kvoa.com/story/36380170/...a-child-found-in-texas-resemble-granddaughter

I wonder if she has been able to give the clothing that contains "Madison's DNA" to the powers that be??? What could be the hold up in running DNA testing? Is there a backlog? Cost?

Frustrating!

Quoting this again but I'm quite surprised at NCMEC. She's not asking for her granddaughter back or to know her whereabouts if she is still alive. She is just doing what is asked. Calling in a tip.
 
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