GUILTY TX - Megan Getrum, 36, murdered, Plano, 18 April 2017 *Arrest*

They said her location was verified by cell phone data extraction. But they can't extract data from a phone they don't have, right? So it had to be from Cloud info or the phone company providing the info to LE, which usually requires a search warrant. Curious about that.

Also, how ridiculous is it that a body can be found Saturday, a woman is reported missing Monday and it takes them until Wednesday to make a connection? I think Plano LE is excellent but wth.

She was reported missing Tuesday, 4/19, and identified Wednesday, 4/20. I don't think it's unusual as the body was 30 miles away in Garland/Dallas waiting to be identified, and I'm not sure Plano LE wanted to assume it was Megan.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/04/19/plano-police-body-of-missing-woman-found-in-dallas/
 
They said her location was verified by cell phone data extraction. But they can't extract data from a phone they don't have, right? So it had to be from Cloud info or the phone company providing the info to LE, which usually requires a search warrant. Curious about that.

Also, how ridiculous is it that a body can be found Saturday, a woman is reported missing Monday and it takes them until Wednesday to make a connection? I think Plano LE is excellent but wth.

These are two completely different jurisdictions and the body was found ~30 miles away. How many missing and deceased persons were there in the Metroplex in that time period? Quite a few I'd imagine. IMO taking a couple days to make the connection is not unreasonable.
 
She was reported missing Tuesday, 4/19, and identified Wednesday, 4/20. I don't think it's unusual as the body was 30 miles away in Garland/Dallas waiting to be identified, and I'm not sure Plano LE wanted to assume it was Megan.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/04/19/plano-police-body-of-missing-woman-found-in-dallas/
According to the original post she was reported missing on the 18th after her friends hadn't heard from her over the weekend. Her body was pulled from LRH on the morning of the 15th and she was identified on the 19th

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2017/04/15/womans-body-found-floating-lake-ray-hubbard

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/plano/2017/04/19/plano-police-seek-help-search-missing-woman
 
According to the original post she was reported missing on the 18th after her friends hadn't heard from her over the weekend. Her body was pulled from LRH on the morning of the 15th and she was identified on the 19th

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2017/04/15/womans-body-found-floating-lake-ray-hubbard

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/plano/2017/04/19/plano-police-seek-help-search-missing-woman

I can't view dallasnews.com due to subscription issues but I see her brother's posts on twitter are from 4/18... but still don't think it's questionable that Plano LE wouldn't know immediately that it was Megan's body pulled from lake in a different city...
 
According to the original post she was reported missing on the 18th after her friends hadn't heard from her over the weekend. Her body was pulled from LRH on the morning of the 15th and she was identified on the 19th

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2017/04/15/womans-body-found-floating-lake-ray-hubbard

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/plano/2017/04/19/plano-police-seek-help-search-missing-woman

So probably if she had plans to role play and never showed up or talked to them they got worried and those are woo contacted the cops maybe
 
I can't view dallasnews.com due to subscription issues but I see her brother's posts on twitter are from 4/18... but still don't think it's questionable that Plano LE wouldn't know immediately that it was Megan's body pulled from lake in a different city...

I feel the cops there would know Plano is looking for someone who may fit the description of the girl they found and would tell them and any other area looking for a missing girl who fits the description right away. But it wouldn't be weird if they were so busy and caught up on figuring out what happened to the girl and all that and forget to tell them. Wouldn't the first step be identifying her body though?

Mainly how close she was found to where they had toknow a girl was missing from and not figuring it it fast or at least alerting them is odd. But maybe they did and we don't know it
 
I feel the cops there would know Plano is looking for someone who may fit the description of the girl they found and would tell them and any other area looking for a missing girl who fits the description right away. But it wouldn't be weird if they were so busy and caught up on figuring out what happened to the girl and all that and forget to tell them. Wouldn't the first step be identifying her body though?

Mainly how close she was found to where they had toknow a girl was missing from and not figuring it it fast or at least alerting them is odd. But maybe they did and we don't know it

Her body was found before she was ever reported missing so there weren't any MP to alert about.
 
Her body was found before she was ever reported missing so there weren't any MP to alert about.

Right, but when she was reported missing wouldn't a quick check of nearby agencies to see if any unidentified females had turned up in the last few days be one of the first things they do?
 
Right, but when she was reported missing wouldn't a quick check of nearby agencies to see if any unidentified females had turned up in the last few days be one of the first things they do?

Define "quick check". There are literally dozens of police departments in the Dallas area, some very large. We don't know what type of infrastructure they have in place to perform these quick checks - perhaps 2 days is a quick check in the police bureaucracy? Remember, they were looking for a live missing person. If it were me, I'd put the check for deceased at a lower priority than, say checking hospitals, investigating abduction/criminal cases, etc. IMO the timeframe they connected the dots was timely and acceptable.
 
Right, but when she was reported missing wouldn't a quick check of nearby agencies to see if any unidentified females had turned up in the last few days be one of the first things they do?

The original consensus was that she had possibly fallen or was injured IN the preserve . I think the last thought would be in a lake in another county , that's pretty rare . Remember , Plano is hyped pretty heavily as " safest city in America " .


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Who knows if Molly Matheson's suspected killer had anything to do with Megan, but he's from or lived in Plano and today's news states he was accused of rape twice in the past.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article147864734.html

Sad to see that Molly graduated from the same high school as Zuzu Verk.


"Matheson, a Keller Timber Creek High School alum, and Kimbro had dated in 2014, when they were students at the University of Arkansas, Kimbro told police. They eventually broke up but stayed in touch."

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article147864734.html#storylink=cpy

Zuzu's thread: TX - Zuzu Verk, 22, Alpine, 12 Oct 2016 #3

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Sad to see that Molly graduated from the same high school as Zuzu Verk.


"Matheson, a Keller Timber Creek High School alum, and Kimbro had dated in 2014, when they were students at the University of Arkansas, Kimbro told police. They eventually broke up but stayed in touch."

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article147864734.html#storylink=cpy



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Isn't it? They were one year apart.

Regarding the statement that Kimbro dated Molly, not sure if it's true since that is his statement, but her parents have stated she only "sort of" knew him. Also, University of Arkansas has stated they have no record of Kimbro attending classes there even though he states he did. Strange!
 
Isn't it? They were one year apart.

Regarding the statement that Kimbro dated Molly, not sure if it's true since that is his statement, but her parents have stated she only "sort of" knew him. Also, University of Arkansas has stated they have no record of Kimbro attending classes there even though he states he did. Strange!

The suspect in the Halee Rathgeber case is saying the same about his attendance at USI. The university states it has no record of his attending school or enrolling in a class there. Strange, indeed.

"Hagan said he had moved to Evansville and was attending the University of Southern Indiana. A spokesman for the university said, "(USI) does not have a student named Isaiah Hagan currently enrolled, nor has a student by that name previously been enrolled or taken classes at the University." http://www.courierpress.com/story/n...est-newburgh-womans-shooting-death/101126526/


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A scenario I just thought of:

"A family member said they were talking to her on the phone as she was walking through the park around that time when the phone cut out.

'We were able to get cell phone extraction evidence to show she was actually in that park at the time that communication was taking place,' Officer David Tilley of Plano police said.

Getrum lives in the area and frequents the park, but friends and family members became concerned after they did not hear from her over the Easter weekend."
(BBM)
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

So the impression I get is that when the phone cut, there wasn't anything obviously suspicious about it; if there was, it seems like whomever Megan was talking to would have reported her missing sooner than Tues. Perhaps it just ran out of battery.

So I am assuming for now that Megan did make it back to her apartment safely. She starts charging her phone (to the best of my knowledge, LE has not said whether the park was the last place her phone was confirmed to have been). She starts playing an online role-playing game. One of the players starts talking to Megan privately via the game and invites her to go with them to the Lake Ray Hubbard area to go "LARP"-ing ("A live action role-playing game (LARP) is a form of role-playing game where the participants physically act out their characters' actions. The players pursue goals within a fictional setting represented by the real world while interacting with each other in character.": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game)

No precipitation on Apr. 14th in Dallas, with a low of 66F:
https://www.wunderground.com/histor...reqdb.zip=75023&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

Megan agrees to go, and the person says they will pick her up.

"Police are confident Getrum had her phone and a water bottle with her. "
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

I have not been able to find anything to confirm that the phone and the water bottle were the only items missing from her apartment. Is it possible that there were items -keys in particular- that were found on her body? I can picture her not taking her wallet if she was only going to go LARPing.

The person picks her up and they head over to LRH. Once there, there is no one else, and Megan realizes she is in trouble. The person harms her, and dumps her in the lake -:(-, while they destroy the phone before discarding it along with her water bottle, or keeps the water bottle as a trophy of sorts.

It seems that if Megan did indeed communicate with someone via an online gaming platform that night, that would make it difficult for LE to track down the other person, that might have had the opportunity to harm her.
 
Define "quick check". There are literally dozens of police departments in the Dallas area, some very large. We don't know what type of infrastructure they have in place to perform these quick checks - perhaps 2 days is a quick check in the police bureaucracy? Remember, they were looking for a live missing person. If it were me, I'd put the check for deceased at a lower priority than, say checking hospitals, investigating abduction/criminal cases, etc. IMO the timeframe they connected the dots was timely and acceptable.

If it was my daughter or my sister missing, 2 days to check for dead bodies in nearby areas would be far too long to wait.
 
A scenario I just thought of:

"A family member said they were talking to her on the phone as she was walking through the park around that time when the phone cut out.

'We were able to get cell phone extraction evidence to show she was actually in that park at the time that communication was taking place,' Officer David Tilley of Plano police said.

Getrum lives in the area and frequents the park, but friends and family members became concerned after they did not hear from her over the Easter weekend."
(BBM)
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

So the impression I get is that when the phone cut, there wasn't anything obviously suspicious about it; if there was, it seems like whomever Megan was talking to would have reported her missing sooner than Tues. Perhaps it just ran out of battery.

So I am assuming for now that Megan did make it back to her apartment safely. She starts charging her phone (to the best of my knowledge, LE has not said whether the park was the last place her phone was confirmed to have been). She starts playing an online role-playing game. One of the players starts talking to Megan privately via the game and invites her to go with them to the Lake Ray Hubbard area to go "LARP"-ing ("A live action role-playing game (LARP) is a form of role-playing game where the participants physically act out their characters' actions. The players pursue goals within a fictional setting represented by the real world while interacting with each other in character.": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game)

No precipitation on Apr. 14th in Dallas, with a low of 66F:
https://www.wunderground.com/histor...reqdb.zip=75023&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

Megan agrees to go, and the person says they will pick her up.

"Police are confident Getrum had her phone and a water bottle with her. "
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

I have not been able to find anything to confirm that the phone and the water bottle were the only items missing from her apartment. Is it possible that there were items -keys in particular- that were found on her body? I can picture her not taking her wallet if she was only going to go LARPing.

The person picks her up and they head over to LRH. Once there, there is no one else, and Megan realizes she is in trouble. The person harms her, and dumps her in the lake -:(-, while they destroy the phone before discarding it along with her water bottle, or keeps the water bottle as a trophy of sorts.

It seems that if Megan did indeed communicate with someone via an online gaming platform that night, that would make it difficult for LE to track down the other person, that might have had the opportunity to harm her.

If she met someone online and agreed to go to a lake after dark with him, she's not very smart. And Megan appears to be be very intelligent, so this scenario seems highly unlikely.
 
If she met someone online and agreed to go to a lake after dark with him, she's not very smart. And Megan appears to be be very intelligent, so this scenario seems highly unlikely.
My apologies for the lack of clarification. Yes, I agree that Megan appears to be an exceptionally intelligent, sensible person. I didn't mean she would have gone with someone she'd just met through online gaming, or someone she'd been communicating only online even for an extended period of time.

In this scenario, the perpetrator would have been someone she had met in person at least once, possibly while LARPing or perhaps at some sort of in-real-life gathering for the role-play-gaming community, and she had mutual friends with. In other words, it would have been someone she had no reason to be fearful or suspicious of.

I also think it's possible that there was indeed a LARPing event at LRH or somewhere near there -where there would be people Megan knew-; both the perpetrator and Megan are going, and the perpetrator picks her up. The event starts, the perpetrator and Megan are working together, and the perpetrator suggests to Megan they should go to a particular area to hide, at which point she is attacked. After the event, other players assume that the perpetrator and Megan already left, whether together or separately.

I haven't read anything that suggests Megan went LARPing the evening she was last seen. I just find the following from her obituary curious:
"Friday night was game night for Megan and a group of friends who have been meeting for over 15 years. They shared a passion for strategy and role play. Through hundreds of games their friendships have remained strong."
(BBM)
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/heralddemocrat/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=185246593

Also found some interesting LARP-related stuff online:
"Driving by a local park in Plano, TX yesterday, I saw some activity that looked like a medieval battle reenactment type. Turned out they were doing 'live action role playing.' ..."
https://www.facebook.com/TheLadyBugFarm/posts/1804976423116832

"Plano Police Arrest Man Swinging Samurai Sword, Wearing Cape and Armor"
Published at 2:51 PM CDT on Apr 6, 2017 | Updated at 5:47 PM CDT on Apr 6, 2017
"Police received several 911 calls about a man 'dressed as a knight,' and possibly wearing body armor, swinging a samurai sword near the corner of Independence Parkway and Vidalia Lane just before 10 a.m.
...
Tilley said the officers on scene realized it might be a mental health issue, which is why they decided to wait for a non-lethal option to arrive.
..."
[There is nothing in the article that suggests the incident was LARP-related.]
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pl...418547513.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand

"19 Truths about Harassment, Missing Stairs, and Safety in Larp Communities" (from Mar. of this year)
https://nordiclarp.org/2017/03/14/1...issing-stairs-and-safety-in-larp-communities/
 
A scenario I just thought of:

"A family member said they were talking to her on the phone as she was walking through the park around that time when the phone cut out.

'We were able to get cell phone extraction evidence to show she was actually in that park at the time that communication was taking place,' Officer David Tilley of Plano police said.

Getrum lives in the area and frequents the park, but friends and family members became concerned after they did not hear from her over the Easter weekend."
(BBM)
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

So the impression I get is that when the phone cut, there wasn't anything obviously suspicious about it; if there was, it seems like whomever Megan was talking to would have reported her missing sooner than Tues. Perhaps it just ran out of battery.

So I am assuming for now that Megan did make it back to her apartment safely. She starts charging her phone (to the best of my knowledge, LE has not said whether the park was the last place her phone was confirmed to have been). She starts playing an online role-playing game. One of the players starts talking to Megan privately via the game and invites her to go with them to the Lake Ray Hubbard area to go "LARP"-ing ("A live action role-playing game (LARP) is a form of role-playing game where the participants physically act out their characters' actions. The players pursue goals within a fictional setting represented by the real world while interacting with each other in character.": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_action_role-playing_game)

No precipitation on Apr. 14th in Dallas, with a low of 66F:
https://www.wunderground.com/histor...reqdb.zip=75023&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

Megan agrees to go, and the person says they will pick her up.

"Police are confident Getrum had her phone and a water bottle with her. "
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

I have not been able to find anything to confirm that the phone and the water bottle were the only items missing from her apartment. Is it possible that there were items -keys in particular- that were found on her body? I can picture her not taking her wallet if she was only going to go LARPing.

The person picks her up and they head over to LRH. Once there, there is no one else, and Megan realizes she is in trouble. The person harms her, and dumps her in the lake -:(-, while they destroy the phone before discarding it along with her water bottle, or keeps the water bottle as a trophy of sorts.

It seems that if Megan did indeed communicate with someone via an online gaming platform that night, that would make it difficult for LE to track down the other person, that might have had the opportunity to harm her.

I believe I read in more than one source that she was "messaging" with someone while at the preserve. Which would be even less of a red flag when her battery went out - not like her voice cutting off mid-conversation (which usually causes people to call back and explain the cut-off).

A catch with this scenario is, if she left her phone at home charging, LE would have found it. And if she took her phone with her to go meet up with someone in the area where she was found, the last cell tower pings would not have been in the area where she'd been hiking earlier (which is what I believe has been reported in links in these threads).
 
I believe I read in more than one source that she was "messaging" with someone while at the preserve. Which would be even less of a red flag when her battery went out - not like her voice cutting off mid-conversation (which usually causes people to call back and explain the cut-off).

A catch with this scenario is, if she left her phone at home charging, LE would have found it. And if she took her phone with her to go meet up with someone in the area where she was found, the last cell tower pings would not have been in the area where she'd been hiking earlier (which is what I believe has been reported in links in these threads).

Both very good points!

This may be the article you are referring to: "Getrum's last known location was the Arbor Hills Nature Preserve in Plano, where she was messaging a family member after dark on Friday April 14; her body was recovered the next day in Lake Ray Hubbard." (BBM)
Published at 1:18 PM CDT on Apr 26, 2017 | Updated at 1:20 PM CDT on Apr 26, 2017
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Re...-Getrum-Homicide-Investigation-420512623.html

Then I also found this article: "A family member had been communicating with Getrum on Friday night as she walked through the park not far from her home in the 7000 block of West Parker Road, but no one heard from her or saw her after that, Tilley said.
Everything reportedly seemed fine when the family member was speaking with Getrum, he said." (BBM; this may be interpreted as speaking via text)
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/plano/2017/04/19/plano-police-seek-help-search-missing-woman

Kind of confusing, IMO.

An article published on the day LE confirmed her death, it says:
"'We were able to get cell phone extraction evidence to show she was actually in that park at the time that communication was taking place,' Officer David Tilley of Plano police said." (BBM)
http://www.fox4news.com/news/249485938-story

I think it is safe to assume that the evidence LE had -at least as of a little over 24 hours after Megan was reported missing- showed Arbor Hills as the last known location of the phone. After all, they spent all day Tuesday and part of Wednesday, at Arbor Hills looking for Megan.

Wherever she went, I do think Megan took her phone with her. If she did return to her apartment after the hike and left again, and if her phone indeed ran out of battery while still at Arbor Hills, how much time would she have had to charge her phone? Would she have taken a portable charger with her? Would she have charged it in the car? Could the phone have died again fairly quickly after leaving for the second time? Maybe after additional analysis (e.g., via GPS-enabled apps, rather than pings), LE now have evidence that tells them where she might have been until her phone ran out of battery again, but they are not releasing the information?
 

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