TX TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 #2 *arrests*

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  1. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    They do not appear to be from the same unit in any close sense.

    All three soldiers, as with most soldiers at Fort Hood, were assigned to III Corps. As an Army Corps is a unit (a very, very large one with 60,000(+) soldiers counting all soldiers, at all bases), some reports may of stated that all three were all assigned to the same "unit". This is technically correct, but not correct in the practical sense.

    Two of the soldiers were assigned to the 1st Cavalry Division (about 15,000 soldiers), but to different brigades and thus to different battalions.

    Though some may consider assignment to the same Brigade (non were) as being in the "same unit", I think most soldiers would use the term "same unit" to mean battalion or smaller.

    Thus, for the three soldiers to have been assigned to the same unit in the practical sense, I think they would needed to have been assigned to at least the same battalion (about 800 soldiers). None were.
     
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  2. Carrie Ann

    Carrie Ann Boo's Love

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    I am digging into this. I was born Brat ( Army) I have lots of friends and family ties. This is much more than we think. I was young and knew about the base. I will be reading and following this thread closely. I am heartbroken by how long this base has been negativity spoken of . I am relieved that the world is standing up about the??? Of the missing/deceased/AWOL. This is close to my heart, I will be getting information on this. I don't know what to say really. My Grandfather, Father, uncles, cousins, child, husband were or are Military. I hear people cutting the Military down in general. I can't help but say My family and friends fought for your rights to have freedom of speech. They put their lives on the and was willing to die for your rights and freedoms. Not all of Military are involved . Their are bad apples everywhere in life, but that don't mean that all of them are. I will get the information I I find to someone to share with ya'll. I respect the Men and Women In Uniform. Now days if you get into legal trouble the courts give you a chance to Join the service or do jail time. Some go in the service and thrive and make a good life for themselves. I got to stop writing to close to my heart. I want to rant about what I know but I know better
     
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    PFC Brandon Rosecrans
     
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    These soldiers Unit (Brigade) are listed in the articles about them. I was reading about these soldiers and just happen to notice a lot are in the same Brigade or Unit (3rd Cavalry Regiment). Which is the unit Ms. Guillen belongs too as well as Morales who is on the III Corps page with a reward along with Ms. Guillen. Hope that helps.
     
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    Units fall under Brigades. 3rd Cavalry Regiment used to be 3rd Armored Brigade (Same)
     
  7. PatLaurel

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    Do we have a thread for him?

    TIA

    MOO
     
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    Army Soldiers at Fort Hood in Texas Are Dying at Alarming Rates Stateside (January 1, 2016 to Present)
     
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  11. Cryptic

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    Though I am not in the military, I think the confusion maybe due to how the Army titles units. This creates units with similar numerical titles. Then factor in that as you stated , the numerical designators can get changed.

    Going waaay back into military trivia....

    US liaison officers with the British army in late WWII noticed that British "ordinary Tommy" conscript units had fewer desertions and creative malingering than US "ordinary Joe" conscript units. The Army then determined that for psychological and sociological reasons, the British Regimental System (BRS) created unusually tight bonds and duplicated some aspects of it.

    So.....

    US army units today can have confusing numbering systems. Battalions are usually placed in numbered Brigades of which most divisions have three (all numbered 1st, 2nd, 3rd), but battalions also have an honorific regimental historical association as well. Likewise, some battalions are call 'Squadrons' to maintain their historic Cavalry unit lineages (historic lineages are very important in the BRS).

    The 3rd Brigade, 1st Cavalry division is a very separate unit from the 3 Armoured Cavalry Regiment. Likewise, as I'm Done mentioned, numerical designators can get changed when units are re-organized to reflect new missions.

    Some changes are in part due to preserve historical lineages of famous units (3 "Brave Rifles" ACR). Thus, the units currently comprising the 3 ACR may have been in the 3rd Brigade of a Fort Hood division.

    But... after re-organization, they have been assigned to the historic and now separate 3 ACR and took the regimental title and historical sub unit names (even more confusing is that the "Regiment" title of 3 ACR is actual, and not just honorific as with most regiments).

    In short, units with similar numbers could have been can be totally separate in the past (two different divisions, each having a 3rd brigade). Likewise, they can still be totally separate today, even after the units belonging to a "3rd Brigade" were assigned the historical lineage colors of another unit such as 3rd ACR.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    She was dead, I think just about everyone knew that. The question was if she would ever be found, and if her killer would be brought to justice. It looks like the former may have happened, which increases the likelihood of the latter.

    It’ll be interesting to see how this develops in the coming hours and days.
     
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    a shallow grave? so a tip? or was there more searching today??
     
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    I’m so glad they found her, my heart breaks for her mother :(
     
  20. MsBetsy

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    Is this the same river that they have been searching where they found items thought to belong to Vanessa?
     
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