Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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  1. mom2chloe

    mom2chloe Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if CA wasn’t part of the prostitution scheme given her sugar daddy needed and toe pic offerings online? Maybe VG was a wanted addition and she found out and that’s what she told RA she was going to out him about? IMO the toe pics and other SM posts seem a little far off the beaten path for the basic girl scenario. She scares me and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn she scared others IMO
     


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  3. J Block

    J Block Maj. Crimes

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    I think you have the sequence of events backwards. They had witnesses stating they saw AR moving a tough box out of the arms room. The next day, they got a consent search of his phone. That’s when his story started to unravel and they were able to get location data. They searched that area based on his phone’s location data; it’s not they got location data because they searched the area.
     
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    m00c0w Well-Known Member

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    A CID investigation was opened the very next day (4/23). The unit was looking for her since she went missing (4/22), and searches were expanded on 4/23. Press releases started being disseminated on 4/24, asking for help from anyone that knows anything.

    Help us find Vanessa Guillen
     
  6. CronesEye

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    Thank you. I have never seen that webpage before, it delineates a lot.
    I wish we had an attorney on the webpage now as I don't know what the abbreviations for CAs or rather CBs probate case represent.
    It sites abuse and neglect around the time she was 14. My uneducated guess per abbreviations is that she was taken out of her home and permanently placed somewhere else.

    NEGLECT/ABUSE

    REQUEST AND ORDER TERMINATING

    PERMANENCY ACHIEVED

    Jackson County Court Case Roa


    Case Information | Jackson County, MI
     
  7. mom2chloe

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    This is horrific! Especially because if we (the US) go to war do you want a fellow team member who respects women and women who respect men who have their backs or some sneaky sideways glancing wanna be who would do whatever to please himself. Absolutely disgusting and as a female I would never want to join a military branch nor would I want any of my loved ones not limited to females to join either. Armed forces are supposed to protect us not abuse and demean us.IMO
     
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    It's going to take time. Can't give up. Different squadrons, units, groups have different characters.

    It's a leadership thing, with good leadership necessary progress is made for a healthy, functioning military that isn't stagnant and self destructive.

    We have to improve leadership in this country.

    Really. This was Vanessa's dream and for that reason I say never give up. It should be a valid, safe, achievable dream for any little girl who wants to be in the army. For Vanessa - And all the other little Vanessas out there I will never give up.

    When I was 5 I got pissed off that men got all the good jobs (Im old) I saw AT 5! Just how impossible it was for a woman and I said when I grow up I am going to be president. Well......I am no politician. I am an advocate as you can see.

    So never give up. Fight every day to make the military more safe for women, every day. Because Vanessa wanted it, it was her dream.

    So we shall work on it for her.
    She's watching us.:rolleyes:
     
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    Timeline: What to know about missing Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen

    This story indicates CID was right on top of things. Most people should be aware that information pertinent to the investigation is not released to the public to protect the investigation. This is routine. When someone starts blurting out things that weren't made public, the authorities want to know how the people knew.
    The story also identifies Spc. Robinson as VG's 'superior'. He was neither her superior nor an officer. Not even an NCO. That title is given to a Corporal, not a Spc.4, same rank, different connotation.
    I got the impression he wasn't even in her chain of command, and if he was the one watching her in the shower, WTH was he doing in her barracks? He didn't live there. (Correct?) That would be the day some guy (whether him or another male or a superior) would watch me in the shower or be in my bathroom (males and females still have separate showers, correct?) and I knew and I wouldn't report it. That wasn't allowed to happen when I was in and I have heard frequently things have not become more lax but rather discipline more likely.


    In one of the threads, maybe this one, people discussed privileged information, and said how in a the military, information was even more guarded.
    Just because someone wasn't privy to the information, it doesn't mean it wasn't investigated or that they investigators had no knowledge of it. Close family members are the first people investigated during missing people/murders and other crimes. It's sad to say, that in many cases I know about, the person primarily blamed for a missing person is often not the culprit. Because in too many cases, the cops went after the family members and looked no further. Too many innocent victims.
    Marriages suffered, relationships soured, and often the person blamed could not have been the abductor or killer because they were a witness to the crime.


    There are lots of allegations, rumors, unsubstantiated comments and I find all of that offensive. I'm offended on behalf of the CID investigators. Some people here seem to believe the personnel in CID are less than professional. Unless the standards have dropped significantly since my friend got out, those people are usually great, even though I did have a bad experience with one. The only one where I was the complainant.

    This young lady deserves her reputation to be unsullied. People along the thread accused her of having an affair, being involved with a superior, being involved with a married man, etc. It's made national attention because she disappeared, and not by her own choice. She did not and does not deserve ridicule, rumors, insults, snide or offensive remarks, etc. She is the victim. Let her rest in peace.
     
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    I must have missed the posts where people spoke badly of Vanessa, I think I read most but not all, I admit. Most people are genuinely concerned and think highly of her I have found.

    I do see many people all over the internet who are not happy with conditions of safety at Fort Hood, specifically for women. I do think changes need to be made. My own experience with in the military at large tells me that. My own experience tells me that authorities drag their heels and leave people at risk and see what they want to see. I am sorry to disagree with you on this particular matter, but I have to go with what I know.

    In all, we are all here to make things better for everyone, one day.

    When I was in, we had a common duty changing area and coed dorms , so yeah, things happen. We all have different experiences.
     
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    I believe it's referring to the fact that Cecily Aguilar was not the wife of Aaron Robinson.
    Cecily Aguilar was the estranged wife of a former soldier (KA)

    ETA:Error
     
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    Do you have a link for that article? It is a piece of news I would like to see.
     
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    I made a simple statement that has been totally misconstrued. Maybe I didn't state it simple enough. But regardless, I'm done going over this. Thanks and goodnight...
     
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    It's not unusual to shower at the unit after a lunch time workout, PT, or a quick run. As far as the barracks latrines, they usually do have locks but often aren't used if you're sharing it with only one other person. There are locks on the actual room door to prevent intruders, but unfortunately, sometimes a Soldier's roommate will prop open the door for quick access when they're doing laundry or left their room key in the car, etc.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Ah, sorry agaliunas3, my bad. I should have read all the recent posts first and I might have figured out what you meant. But then, I read it wrong.
     
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    Here’s what the lawyer said and it sounds to me like she was not told anything about blood , but what she imagined the scene to look like. JMO
    If CID told her about the bludgeoning with a hammer, I can see why she would think that. But I don’t see it confirmed amywhere.

    He told his girlfriend that she was going to report him for having an affair," said Natalie Khawam, the Guillen family's attorney. She was speaking on what she said the Army Criminal Investigation Division told her and the family in a meeting this week. “You can’t tell me that someone is bludgeoned to death in the armory room and then all of a sudden nobody heard her screaming – nobody saw the blood all over the room?"

    Disturbing details reveal what happened to Vanessa Guillen the night she disappeared from Fort Hood
     
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    AmandaReckonwith Defective Detective

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    I was looking through the posts to find where it was mentioned. I thought they said she was killed in her armory. Then, a few people were nice enough to correct my misunderstanding and told me he killed her in his armory. Someone posted in the thread that investigators found blood in his armory. It's in the thread after VG was found, I think. It was the first I saw that they had found her body, and he was already dead. So, it's in here and recent. I haven't found it yet. When I do, I'll get back to you.
     
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