Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020

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  1. hey-Debbie

    hey-Debbie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I guess that's my idea. So like if my son doesn't answer my texts right away I don't freak out. He's in Italy. He sometimes forgets to text me back because he works 2nd shift. He works and sometimes picks up extra shifts or may be busy at the gym, etc. If I don't hear from him in a while I get real sterm with my texts and say he needs to communicate with me that he's okay. He's 23 but still...I'm his Mom. He'll usually text back fairly quickly and apologize. Being that when you involve a command like that it's serious. You don't contact them for your sister or boyfriend/girlfriend didn't text you back quick enough.

    This leads me to believe that maybe her sister had alternate or other conversations that aren't public knowledge as to why she was so quick to contact her sister's command to ask where she was.
     
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  2. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    If some guy walked on base to kidnap her, then it’s even harder to walk off base with her.
     
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    GordianKnot Former Member

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    Gotcha, thanks.

    Here's how my brain was tracking when I posed the question:
    • How difficult would it have been for her to leave the base herself on foot?
    • How difficult would it have been for a predator to enter the base unseen, attack her, then leave?
    I'm not yet convinced she's off the base.

    JMO.
     
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  4. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Difficult/difficult.

    I think if this is foul play, the perpetrator has a legitimate reason for being on base.
     
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  5. hey-Debbie

    hey-Debbie Well-Known Member

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    Anyone remember the Ashanti Billie case that went missing off of the Navy base in Norfolk, VA? That's how you can be removed off of base without anyone seeing or knowing. She could have gone voluntarily in the passenger seat as well. I'm sure cameras do not capture all angles of a car leaving base.
     
  6. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Former Member

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    Roger that.

    The good news there is that this helps narrow the field of likely suspects for investigators.

    The bad news is that it narrows the suspect pool down to around 71,000 people, according to this article:

    Here Is an Overview of Fort Hood, Texas, Lodging, Directions, and More

    VG's digital footprints are going to be absolutely critical in this case.

    JMO.
     
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  7. Falling Down

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    Good point, or impossible to do so, really.

    Another quickie I'd like to share is Hood being a "closed base", as I call it, meaning the gates are guarded 24/7, means that if she left the base on foot for a run, which to me seems unlikely, she would have been seen at one of the gates and there would be video.

    JMO
     
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    California Sunset Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your service.

    When I asked the question, I didn't know she was running. And we had to run in basic training in formation while carrying a backpack (whatever) and a rifle. I was throwing out questions, I wasn't fully aware of the situation, and obviously not thinking too clearly. Besides, I didn't know if the base was 'shut down'. I checked in here, was trying to go through all the posts, but I was trying to keep up with everyone, so I'd know what happened. Someone mentioned COVID19 and I didn't even think of that consideration. Even though I served in the army, each base, each unit, is different.
    My work in the military was nothing like this young lady's, but that doesn't make her job any less or any more important than someone else's. She's a person, with a job to do, and she was doing her best to get it done.
    I ask questions because I'm trying to understand as much as I can about what is occurring. Fortunately, most people are really nice about answering them. We're new here, perhaps you can tell. I haven't participated in much, this is a learning experience and the patience of these good people has been greatly appreciated. I'm the first person to admit I'm not perfect. Unlike you, I make mistakes.
     
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    When I asked the question, I didn't know she was running. We don't know she was running. People are just assuming that because of the clothes she was wearing. She was last seen in a parking lot. And we know she didn't have her own car keys so was she meeting someone in that parking lot? Did someone pick her up to go somewhere?

     
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    The military investigators offering a reward is unusual. MOO they don't think its a regular AWOL.
     
  11. California Sunset

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    When I asked if she was armed, I meant was she a person who carried a weapon as part of her job. I also wondered if she signed the weapons in/out that others carried. But I also wondered, because I know it's possible, records could be fudged and a gun could be 'misplaced' without someone realizing it, depending on who was doing the fudging. Stuff happens.
     
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    Agree!
     
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    But if she was going anywhere, she should have had her ID on her. When I was in, you could get in trouble for not having your ID on you. So maybe she didn't have her ID because she wasn't planning to go anywhere, but someone else had other plans. And that, to me, is ominous.
     
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    That's been known to happen.
     
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    I am ex-military and I see it pretty much the same way you do. I'm just confused about the size of the armory and what all is kept there.
     
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    Investigators say the 20-year-old soldier was last seen April 22 at 1 p.m. wearing a black T-shirt in the parking lot of her regimental engineer squadron headquarters on Fort Hood. The family is from Houston and said it's not like the soldier to simply disappear.

    "She was a family-oriented girl,” Guillen said. "She would come home instead of going to party in nearby cities like Austin or Dallas. It would be easier for her choose another route, but no, she would come home every weekend to us."

    "Something isn't right" | Missing Fort Hood solider's sister speaks about disappearance
     
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  17. GordianKnot

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    For what it's worth, her job on base is as a small arms repairer.

    So, presumably, she would have access to small firearms, but I have no idea whether her job duties in that position would include signing weapons in/out or having permission to carry them outside of the armory.

    Anyone? Anyone?

    JMO.
     
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    Thank you for your service, Cali Sunset!
     
  19. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    There are few things taken more seriously than a missing weapon in the military. They have strict protocols in place to prevent that.

    I don’t think she was armed, nor do I think armory weapons factor in at all.
     
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    That's what I'm wondering about, I'm sure others are, too.

    Which now makes me wonder what base security knows that we don't. If they know much. The reward could very well be a sign that base PMO think foul play is involved or presumed to be involved. Could be they're offering it because they think people on base have information.

    I've never seen a reward offered for a missing military member, at least not in recent memory. Weird too that she went missing on the base, that's really rare.
     
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