Discussion in 'Crimes in the News' started by Sparky, May 17, 2016.
Have never thought the perp is Caucasian. Latino, or Asian . jmo though.
We don't know if she always entered the church, rain or shine, or whether it was only entered in rainy conditions. (My personal guess is that she would only have entered when it was necessary due to rain.) This might or might not matter, would be easy for LE to figure out (and perhaps they already have), but no reason for them to ever tell us the answer.
Since its been discovered there are 2 W. Houtz on BB's FB and it's not clear which one is on the target list, they are both now Off Limits.
Please don't discuss them here. If it's determined which is which, then we'll revisit and and make a discussion on whether or not we'll discuss. Until then, please refrain from sleuthing them and bringing it here.
Also, just a friendly reminder....CT and CW's FB accts are now off limits.
4:35 was the time mentioned iirc, and based on camera timestamp
Why? Eyes? Eyes seem to be behind goggles....and no way to determine eye color. JMO
Which begs the question- did they see anything at all?? I'm a lot of states east and north and here we have someone early for a class sitting right in the parking lot.
I didn't really see that, but I'd like to know at 1:53 why was the camera already on when the perp came through the door. I thought the cameras were motion activated. What am I missing? TIA
SBM for relevance...
IMO, as long as an expert in video analysis is used to enlarge or make the image less blurry and documents their actions step-by-step, the evidence is usually deemed to be factual and valid. For instance, in the Heather Elvis case, a retired FBI analyst is being allowed to present enhanced video surveillance and testify about a truck seen on camera. The same analyst testified in the R Kelly's assault trial and was able to enhance a video to show that the perp had a small mole on his back identical to one on R Kelly's back. It's crazy the detail those video analysts can hone in on.
Okay. So based on recent posts, could we have had a double/triple murder, if an early camper, kid, guest, et al had come into the building a little earlier? This is where the possibility of a gun comes into play. If yes, then we might have. Would they have run off? I think they'd have a pretty good change of getting arrested if they didn't take out witnesses. So this could have been worse. I still think MB is the primary target.
Also. And maybe I've watched too much crime TV, but isn't one of the primary methodologies, if not THE prime method, is to bring witnesses and potential suspects into the station and questioning them. Trying to garner a confession. Catch them in an inconsistency. Get further information. The only person I've heard be questioned (and seemingly benignly) is BB. Shouldn't there be a "parade of POI's" to harvest information. Who did you talk to in this phone call. Did they give you any indication of... You don't need name someone a suspect to take them in for questioning right? Are they meeting in another site to avoid the circus? Are they all lawyered up and the lawyers have blocked any comment? What's going on with that?
The motion of the door beginning to open activated the camera.
I think it's very important. Why would the perp assemble his costume and plan this attack at the church if she may never go inside? Also, if she only went inside when the weather was so bad it would limit the perp list to those who knew the camp was moved indoors.
I see a closed door, then I see it open.
GUESSING......but I really think that ALL identified SW target pois have been questioned. Most, I hear have since privatized their FB's. I can't read FB's, because I'm not a subscriber. But I can read twitter if it is public, and I do. JMO
No idea but maybe they routinely used the restrooms inside.
IMO, the word "Police" on both the front and back look similar in size to these Velcro patches which are sold on eBay together. They could have just stuck them on a random black vest.
I see that, there's about 3.5-4 seconds of video before they show the door open. And the door isn't shown opening, it's shown first about halfway open, like that scene was cut in or something. Probably just choppy from being motion-activated? Idk.
I'm sure many have been interviewed
Unfortunately, the possible list of who knew the camp was being moved indoors was "everyone" since she had announced her schedule to the world on FB and made that "moving indoors due to rain" fact clear as part of the announcement. If she always went inside, then that would be two possible ways the perp would know she would be in there (but it only takes one). More importantly, to the extent it's needed, it would be easy info for LE to have already ascertained it, but they have no reason to share that with us.
I see the video as choppy or moving ( I don't know how else to describe it) Before the perp even opens the door around 1 minute 50 seconds.
I think it is silver pin: an eagle with wings out, standing on top of a globe, with its face/beak/neck bent forwards and down onto the globe (left), and perhaps with a silver (red) ribbon waving across the globe. Looks like a Marine Corps pin of some kind, maybe Navy, is it a Seals pin? could be obsolete (but at pawn or thrift shop). Current Navy SEALS insignia in gold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Navy_SEALs_insignia.png These images are the original 3:58 still from MPD; and the other image is the same one after I took it into Paint to draw the boxes - the red ribbon seems like an after-effect from Paint, the ribbon is probably silver.